To the #VoteBlue people in the USA: Yes, voting for the #Democrats _is_ necessary in all upcoming elections.

@benroyce @juergen_hubert The problem with that strategy is that most of the people who get a vote on who is part of that establishment are chosen not by the voters but by the members of the current establishment...

Look at how the membership is selected:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee

@admin @juergen_hubert

and how do you change that?

you show the fuck up and vote

a change of leadership means a change of policy

what does not voting lead to?

more of the same

stop setting roadblocks in your mind before you participate

participate, participate, participate

that is the only way to get the change we need

meanwhile, people just sitting things out until the democratic establishment magically changes is a fucking joke. lack of participation is *exactly* why things suck

@benroyce @juergen_hubert How? Are you saying to break into the DNC and steal the ballots or something? WE DON'T GET TO VOTE ON THIS!

@admin @juergen_hubert

OMFG WE'RE DOOMED FOR ETERNITY WE HAVE NO AGENCY

you vote. you replace the leadership. you change the policy

hello?

will you stop fucking hiding and buried in deranged fears? it's fucking weak and embarrassing. part of the reason we're here is people who think just like you. fight, motherfucker

did you learn nothing from mamdani's run?

and how do we get more mamdanis?

via my words here

meanwhile your way is defeat, because you won't fucking fight!

@benroyce @juergen_hubert Mamdani isn't party leadership.

Party leadership is elected by ~400 people who are chosen by party leadership. They pick their voters and they ain't picking you or me.

@admin @juergen_hubert

and who makes up party leadership deep thinker? what happens if we get 50 mamdanis? and how do we get 50 mamdanis?

HELLO, ANYONE HOME?

i'll give you some time to work through the fucking obvious and abandon your defense of cowardice

your way is no more mamdanis. because integalactic omnipotent alien dem establishment we are powerless to change fucking weak

you are the problem

@benroyce @juergen_hubert Mamdani might not get a vote for party leadership either. Read the link I sent you earlier, it lists who gets a votes. There are three mayors selected so *maybe* he could get one of those, but it's not clear who chooses which three.

But there's 200 people selected by the state party organizations, and 75 selected by national party leaders that aren't necessarily elected politicians at all.

@admin @juergen_hubert

i completely understand you

mental roadblock, mental roadblock, mental roadblock

helplessness, weakness, cowardice, defeatism, pessimism, cynicism

i get it

thank you for painting a picture for everyone else reading along why the left is so FUCKED in this stupid fucking country

you are the problem. you and all the other spineless turds out there are the author of our misery

LISTEN TO ME:

you vote

in the primaries

you get more mamdanis

we win

capisce?

@benroyce @juergen_hubert And every single election election you have to fight against the party that's supposed to be supporting you -- just like Mamdani did -- because you have no way to change the party itself!

If we can get these people elected as Democrats despite the Democrats fighting against us the entire way then we can certainly get them elected under a party that supports them or even just gets out of their way. AIUI Mamdani's campaign was largely run not by the Democratic party but by the fucking DSA. So maybe the DSA should form a party.

@admin @juergen_hubert

you have to fight against the party to take over the party, absolutely

then once we control it, they support us

HELLO

are you trolling? what are you doing?

"So maybe the DSA should form a party"

oh yeah, divide the left vote in an FPTP voting system to guarantee 100 years of MAGA, real smart

no: the DSA *takes over the democratic party*

what is mamdani if not the beachhead for this winning strategy?

@benroyce @juergen_hubert DSA *has* taken over the Democratic party at state levels. It doesn't work. The Democratic Party destroyed everything they could on the way out the door, leaving them to build a new party from scratch anyway, and then the national party and the wealthy donors built a new Democratic Party organization to oppose them.

@admin @juergen_hubert

i swear to god you have to be the most spineless whiny motherfucker i've met in a long time

yes: everything is hopeless, because enough people exist like you who are hopeless

do you have the faintest fucking perception in that head of yours that your piss poor attitude is a problem? have you ever heard of self-fulfilling prophecy?

you've given up before you've begun to fight. therefore you lose. absolutely, that is what will happen! because of your attitude

@benroyce @juergen_hubert I got plenty of hope. Hope that we can actually change things. Hope that we can do something other than the same damn strategy that's been failing for decades already. You're the one that seems to be saying that the only option is to settle in and enjoy the status quo.

@benroyce @juergen_hubert My state has been voting for Democrats almost exclusively since the 80s. I must have missed the part where that fixed everything.

@admin @juergen_hubert

Then propose an alternative approach. We can't start a third party in our stupid fucking voting system. So we're stuck with having to take over the dems. Im not calling it easy. Im calling it our only way forward. And youre not helping. And why? Third party dreams in RI (i think you're in RI)? Would you excuse me if i said this focus of yours is rather immaterial to national concerns? Please scope your words to national concerns and not your goals in RI

@benroyce @juergen_hubert You can't go zero to national, doesn't matter if you're taking over the Dems or building something new. You start in the states you can change and you build from there. It's gonna take some time unfortunately. Should have started years ago, but second best time is now.

Dumping FPTP would be a great step too, there's efforts to do that as well in plenty of places, including here in RI.

@admin @juergen_hubert

and we'll get fptp dumped by voting people in who will get that done

we need *less* dreamers

more effective action

@benroyce @juergen_hubert No, you start where that isn't an issue until you've got the momentum to run for bigger shit. I'm not talking about running for President, we aren't gonna get anyone left of center in there by *any* strategy without doing a lot of work locally first.

@juergen_hubert

a focus on the dem estbmnt is a red herring

of course they suck

#mamdani showed us just show up and #vote for who we like. he got no support from the estbmnt, even hostility. now he's mayor

because we voted!

the dem estbmnt is not going to change. does it matter? why should we care?

1. ignore them

2. vote

*especially #primaries #primaries2026*

3. and replace them

et voila

voter anger is not the fault of #democrats

the dems being shit is the fault of people not voting

@benroyce @juergen_hubert @cascheranno

My take: You vote counts. If that were not true, why would they (both parties) spend so much time and money trying to stop you? They want a low turnout, because it's easier to tip an election that way.

The solution is obvious: Vote. I will tell you now; I don't care *who* you vote for. Just as long as you vote.

Want to do more? Volunteer to help folks get to the polls. Whatever gets the most people voting is how all this gets fixed.