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Technology Connections - You are being misled about renewable energy technology.

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  • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

    they'd probably be more wealthy from their heavy investments in renewable energy, which is more profitable than fossil fuels btw

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    untorquer@lemmy.world
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    Wondering now if paradoxically accelerating global warming increases stock ROI in renewables as the perceived value of renewable energy increases with the perceived/predicted level of global warming.

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      Wondering now if paradoxically accelerating global warming increases stock ROI in renewables as the perceived value of renewable energy increases with the perceived/predicted level of global warming.

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      worldsdumbestman@lemmy.today
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      No, they are just after power, not money. They have a darwinist ideology to push.

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        No, they are just after power, not money. They have a darwinist ideology to push.

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        untorquer@lemmy.world
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        It's capitalism, power is wealth by definition. These are compatible concepts.

        By perceived value i mean speculation.

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        • U untorquer@lemmy.world

          Wondering now if paradoxically accelerating global warming increases stock ROI in renewables as the perceived value of renewable energy increases with the perceived/predicted level of global warming.

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          gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de
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          i don't think they're that far-sighted though it's probably a neat side-effect to them

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          • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

            i don't think they're that far-sighted though it's probably a neat side-effect to them

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            untorquer@lemmy.world
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            Mmm... Well i think there are enough of them that think long term to maintain their institutions. The oil industry has been suppressing concerns about climate change and disaster for well over a century now

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            • S spaceballstheusername@lemmy.world

              I think there's something wrong with your math did you mean 630MWh/yr?

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              humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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              ty. corrected. original said 630kwh/year

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              • negativenullN negativenull

                Amazing video by Technology Connections. It's a long one, but don't miss his 30 minute angry rant at the end.

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                baggie@lemmy.zip
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                Sometimes I've been feeling like I'm the weird one for caring about other people and the shit that's been going on. It's really nice to see someone as angry as I am.

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                • S stabby_cicada@slrpnk.net

                  God, fuck ethanol. Last I checked it literally took 1.5 gallons of oil/gas to produce 1 gallon of ethanol. It turns more fuel into less fuel and pisses away soil fertility doing it.

                  I read an article some time ago arguing the purpose of ethanol (and ag subsidies in general) is, consciously or unconsciously, manifest destiny - we have to have a "use" for all the land we stole, we have to do something with it even if that something is a complete waste, because otherwise, people might start asking why we don't give it back. Seems more likely to me all the time.

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                  humanspiral@lemmy.ca
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                  It's the power of a voting class. Origins are geopolitics of 70s oil crisis. Then vote buying of rural areas. Most of the legislative giveaways were titled "clean air something". There is a food security argument for grains (livestock is a food battery, and ethanol is surplus monetization)

                  There is a high oil-related cost portion of corn farming. Close to $300 of the $650/acre is fertilizer ($225), tractor fuel, pesticides. The last 4 years of corn farming losses is also during low NG price. The minimal profit before rent-equivalence can go negative at higher NG price, because ethanol is only blended into gasoline when gasoline is expensive, and then corn only bought for cheap when it is not. The US always has a high oil price policy, and geopolitical insecurity to achieve it. Weapons-oil industry is deep state establishment pushing for war and higher oil prices, and more corn helps, and politicians are rewarded with larger bribery war chests.

                  Energy insecurity for Americans comes from relying on geopolitical manipulated energy subscription to live/operate. Farmers need export markets, which makes it good for them for US to not be hated by all of their markets. US oligarchy is also invested in high electricity prices/profits for incumbents. Datacenter bubble is ideal oligarchism alliance with tech.

                  The point of my post is that farming/rural areas can be weaned from the oil oligarchy voting block. Much cleaner air argument. Genuine energy security that comes from 0 reliance on future geopolitics/supply chains. Better corn prices if some corn farmers switch to solar. Lower oil prices if less of it is wasted on farming and cars. Lower electricity prices and abundance to fund whatever skynet priority to better kill us all, but without us going broke first.

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                  • negativenullN negativenull

                    Amazing video by Technology Connections. It's a long one, but don't miss his 30 minute angry rant at the end.

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                    solo@slrpnk.net
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                    I have watched only a few minutes of this vid so far, as well as the timestamps and I must admit I don't agree with this approach because of something I learned today.

                    He says around 2 m something like: the strategic US reserve of oil even tho the number of barrels sounds huge, they could sustain the US only a month of our current use. From the context my understanding is that he implies that this is due to casual, everyday-people consumption.

                    Well, it looks like the Department of Defense is the U.S. government’s largest fossil fuel consumer, accounting for between 77% and 80% of all federal government energy consumption since 2001. So why is this huge percentage missing from this long analysis?

                    Anyways, if he talks about the US military petroleum consumption, please let me know. Or if I got something wrong with this new info I got about the US military, let me know too.

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                    • gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.deG gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de

                      it still needs to be explained carefully though

                      like to a child you still have to explain how to read a clock or how to tie their shoes even though it's common sense. and you have to be patient while explaining it.

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                      acargitz
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                      I didn't write "common sense" to imply it doesn't need to be explained.

                      I wrote it to mean that once explained, it clearly is impossible to refute because it's common sense.

                      My comment was not adversarial.

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                      • negativenullN negativenull

                        Amazing video by Technology Connections. It's a long one, but don't miss his 30 minute angry rant at the end.

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                        captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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                        That rant at the end really sums up my feelings as a Midwestern leftist. Hell the whole thing does honestly. But you treat people right, you make prudent decisions, and you treat labor with dignity and respect.

                        I also really respect him for accepting when something that had been obvious to him (the value proposition of solar and electrification) turned out to have not been obvious to others so he cut the snark and explained his reasoning. It's an admirable display of character. But also, yeah it had been obvious to me as well.

                        Probably not my favorite video of his, but definitely rhe one I respect the most

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                        • U untorquer@lemmy.world

                          It's capitalism, power is wealth by definition. These are compatible concepts.

                          By perceived value i mean speculation.

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                          They use the aesthetics of capitalism to intellectualize and explain why we should not question their supremacy.

                          In reality, capitalism does not in any way justify monopolization of natural resources, or the large-scale destruction of the environment.

                          Capitalism is the ideology of thr petit-bourgeoisie, not the actual bourgeoisie. They are just social-darwinists.

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                          • solo@slrpnk.netS solo@slrpnk.net

                            I have watched only a few minutes of this vid so far, as well as the timestamps and I must admit I don't agree with this approach because of something I learned today.

                            He says around 2 m something like: the strategic US reserve of oil even tho the number of barrels sounds huge, they could sustain the US only a month of our current use. From the context my understanding is that he implies that this is due to casual, everyday-people consumption.

                            Well, it looks like the Department of Defense is the U.S. government’s largest fossil fuel consumer, accounting for between 77% and 80% of all federal government energy consumption since 2001. So why is this huge percentage missing from this long analysis?

                            Anyways, if he talks about the US military petroleum consumption, please let me know. Or if I got something wrong with this new info I got about the US military, let me know too.

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                            tammytobacco@sh.itjust.works
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                            You're right, we shouldn't electrify and should keep using fossil fuels.

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                            • C cort@lemmy.world

                              For what it's worth, ALL technology connections videos have manually added English closed captions, not auto generated gibberish.
                              It's some of the best captioning work I've ever seen. He actually takes the time to sync them to the auto/video, prevents spoiling jokes/punchlines, and adds an Easter egg at the end of most episodes (usually describing the smooth jazz outro).

                              You might actually have decent luck using the subtitle translation feature built into YouTube, since it (machine) translates the actual words Alec is saying.

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                              captainlezbian@lemmy.world
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                              And he's spoken about doing it in part to ensure accessibility for the deaf, which I appreciate immensely as someone who grew up watching time delayed black box captions on whatever my mom was watching

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                              • bdonvr@thelemmy.clubB bdonvr@thelemmy.club

                                Oh fuck they broke Alec shit's bad

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                                midsizedsedan@lemmy.world
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                                Went from "ehh, its a long video. I'll watch it tomorrow" to "holy fuck..."

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                                  They use the aesthetics of capitalism to intellectualize and explain why we should not question their supremacy.

                                  In reality, capitalism does not in any way justify monopolization of natural resources, or the large-scale destruction of the environment.

                                  Capitalism is the ideology of thr petit-bourgeoisie, not the actual bourgeoisie. They are just social-darwinists.

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                                  untorquer@lemmy.world
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                                  I do not understand what this adds to the concept of capitalism other than introducing the term "social darwinism".

                                  There is no difference between "the aesthetics" of capitalism and its actualization, and neither base a capitalist's actions in regard to benefitting society beyond "the market". Capitalism is simply the current method of accruing power for someone to push their personal ideology on others. It just happens that the most effective method to exploit capitalism is to reject any sense of empathy or consideration for anything external or internal, especially flesh and blood humans because they are the only real threat to your power.

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                                  • solo@slrpnk.netS solo@slrpnk.net

                                    I have watched only a few minutes of this vid so far, as well as the timestamps and I must admit I don't agree with this approach because of something I learned today.

                                    He says around 2 m something like: the strategic US reserve of oil even tho the number of barrels sounds huge, they could sustain the US only a month of our current use. From the context my understanding is that he implies that this is due to casual, everyday-people consumption.

                                    Well, it looks like the Department of Defense is the U.S. government’s largest fossil fuel consumer, accounting for between 77% and 80% of all federal government energy consumption since 2001. So why is this huge percentage missing from this long analysis?

                                    Anyways, if he talks about the US military petroleum consumption, please let me know. Or if I got something wrong with this new info I got about the US military, let me know too.

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                                    whvholst@slrpnk.net
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                                    Cuz the US strategic oil reserve isn't earmarked for the federal government and the share of the military energy usage in the federal energy usage is entirely meaningless tot the oil consumption of the US economy.

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                                    • U untorquer@lemmy.world

                                      I do not understand what this adds to the concept of capitalism other than introducing the term "social darwinism".

                                      There is no difference between "the aesthetics" of capitalism and its actualization, and neither base a capitalist's actions in regard to benefitting society beyond "the market". Capitalism is simply the current method of accruing power for someone to push their personal ideology on others. It just happens that the most effective method to exploit capitalism is to reject any sense of empathy or consideration for anything external or internal, especially flesh and blood humans because they are the only real threat to your power.

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                                      At a certain point of wealth inequality under capitalism it becomes more efficient to make everyone else poorer than to acquire more wealth.

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                                      • negativenullN negativenull

                                        Amazing video by Technology Connections. It's a long one, but don't miss his 30 minute angry rant at the end.

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                                        VibeSurgeon
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                                        Just when I thought I couldn't like him more, he goes and drops this gigabased rant.

                                        TC for U.S president honestly

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                                        • acargitzT acargitz

                                          Common sense.

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                                          VibeSurgeon
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                                          Fairly uncommon, sadly

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