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    passerby6497@lemmy.world
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    Or maybe you talk to the kid and take away a privilege they have temporarily that is (at least close to) a natural consequence of behavior? But then again, I'm just a parent of a relatively well adjusted kid who isn't violent and talks to me about their problems, so what the fuck do I know?

    Man, the amount of people who default "punishment" to "violence against kids" is fucking stupid.

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    • T technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com

      The more serious students will be armed. You're better off fleeing out a window.

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      darkness343@lemmy.world
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      Teacher should just learn to fight against armed opponents

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      • T technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com

        What about the state locking kids in a room all day? Tolerated or no?

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        passerby6497@lemmy.world
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        Sure, why not. Because all punishment is the job of the state, and no parent has the capability to punish their kid without violence, clearly.

        /S for those who can't realize punishment and violence are not synonymous

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          adulated_aspersion@lemmy.world
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          Dear Parent,

          In an effort to break the routine of unacceptable parenting, I would like to demonstrate what you can do with banans. First, get a large bunch of preferrably green bananas. Remove two of these bananas from the bunch. Take one banana, and insert the stem rigorously into your right ear canal. Repeat with the other banana in your left ear canal. Do not remove the banana until they begin to wither.

          And thats it!

          The effort to reduce your child's violent outbursts remains the same, but at least you will be able to share your Superpower of Narrow Intelligence with the public! Everyone will unequivocally know that you are a moron.

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          • F faythofdragons@slrpnk.net

            My little brother threw a chair at his preschool teacher. This is absolutely shit kids do, that they need to be taught is unacceptable. You don't teach kids to be better by writing them off as garbage humans, because they're still learning.

            If you call your five year old garbage for acting out, you're a shitty parent.

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            passerby6497@lemmy.world
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            I'm always amazed at how little reading comprehension people have, or how they end up responding to things in their own head.

            1 - your example of your little brother acting like an asshole doesn't mean it's "shit that kids do". This is "boys will be boys" shit, and that's not acceptable. This is like saying your little brother throws rocks at moving cars or at animals and it's just "shit kids do". Misbehaving kids do it, and need to be taught better, but it is not normal kid behavior.

            2 - no one is saying they're talking to the kid like that

            3 - part of teaching kids to be better people is showing them there are natural consequences for their actions, which guess what? That's a form of punishment, and it isn't violence.

            If you call your five year old garbage for acting out, you're a shitty parent.

            I ask my kid what's wrong and work with them to find a solution, and implement natural/logical (and because crayons are needed, non violent) consequences for their misbehavior. I may use choice descriptors for their behavior when they are not in the house, but I would never speak to my kid that way.


            It baffles me how many people in this thread don't have a concept of natural/logical consequences as punishment, and it really fucking shows in the responses. But I guess when you're raised with violence and can't be bothered to look into alternatives, it's easy to assume and drag people on the Internet

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              jankatarch@lemmy.world
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              Surely the designer put it up as a prank.

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              • P passerby6497@lemmy.world

                I'm always amazed at how little reading comprehension people have, or how they end up responding to things in their own head.

                1 - your example of your little brother acting like an asshole doesn't mean it's "shit that kids do". This is "boys will be boys" shit, and that's not acceptable. This is like saying your little brother throws rocks at moving cars or at animals and it's just "shit kids do". Misbehaving kids do it, and need to be taught better, but it is not normal kid behavior.

                2 - no one is saying they're talking to the kid like that

                3 - part of teaching kids to be better people is showing them there are natural consequences for their actions, which guess what? That's a form of punishment, and it isn't violence.

                If you call your five year old garbage for acting out, you're a shitty parent.

                I ask my kid what's wrong and work with them to find a solution, and implement natural/logical (and because crayons are needed, non violent) consequences for their misbehavior. I may use choice descriptors for their behavior when they are not in the house, but I would never speak to my kid that way.


                It baffles me how many people in this thread don't have a concept of natural/logical consequences as punishment, and it really fucking shows in the responses. But I guess when you're raised with violence and can't be bothered to look into alternatives, it's easy to assume and drag people on the Internet

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                faythofdragons@slrpnk.net
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                It's amazing that you complain about people not reading and responding to stuff in their head, then you turn around it do it yourself.

                1: I quite clearly stated that this was inappropriate behavior that needs to be educated away. I don't know how you think my example is condoning the action. Children need to be taught to keep their hands to themselves, this is a normal part of child development. It is normal for children to have Big Emotions and not know how to use their words yet. Normal doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed, it just means that every child has to have it addressed.

                2: Have you not read the rest of the thread? Starting with the post calling the child a garbage person?

                3: I never said anything to the contrary?

                but I would never speak to my kid that way.

                Then why are you defending it so hard?

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                • T tempermentalanomaly@lemmy.world

                  Why do people believe this even happened? When did this happen? Which country did this happen in?

                  This is rage bait. The users name is "johnny bananas".

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                  krankenwagen@lemmy.world
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                  Thank you! I feel like I'm taking crazy pills reading these facebook level comments on this obviously fake rage bait.

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                  • T tempermentalanomaly@lemmy.world

                    Right. Because johnny bananas wrote about how s parent of their student gave their kid a comfort banana. And I'm the stupid one. Enjoy eating that onion.

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                    redditrefugee69@lemmynsfw.com
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                    Ah, Reddit.

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                    • H HexesofVexes

                      Teaching in a school has greatly changed over the past 3 decades. It's still a rewarding career, but not one I wanted to stick with - the pressure to work miracles is too high, and the support just isn't there to do so.

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                      andros_rex@lemmy.world
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                      What gets me is the complete lack of respect, while also having standards that expect you to be a saint.

                      Teaching title 1, after the district reorganized and combined schools with rival gangs - roster changing every day, buses showing up hours late, not being allowed to kick disruptive students out of the classroom, and having to withstand verbal abuse…

                      They want you to be Jesus. Spend your own money on supplies, focus on “building a relationship” with the student who screamed “fucking f-ggot” in front of the principal at you…

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                      • J jackbinimbul@lemmy.blahaj.zone

                        This specific child was being neglected at home. He clearly felt that school was the only place he could exert control without being hit for it.

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                        m4xie@lemmy.ca
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                        The solution is obvious

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                          professorozone@lemmy.world
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                          Punch a teacher in the face, get a free banana. Sounds like a great deal for the kid. Maybe if he shoots his teacher he'll get a "calming Nintendo".

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                          • T technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                            It's almost like kids don't like being physically coerced into a prison for their whole day.

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                            professorozone@lemmy.world
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                            Yup, kids should never be coerced into doing anything they don't like. They know best.

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                            • R reksas@sopuli.xyz

                              the parent got told that his kid assaulted a teacher and this is the response, raving about some "calming bananas". Also not a word of apology.

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                              antioutsideaktion@lemmy.ml
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                              Well, this is the public facing response

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                              • F faythofdragons@slrpnk.net

                                It's amazing that you complain about people not reading and responding to stuff in their head, then you turn around it do it yourself.

                                1: I quite clearly stated that this was inappropriate behavior that needs to be educated away. I don't know how you think my example is condoning the action. Children need to be taught to keep their hands to themselves, this is a normal part of child development. It is normal for children to have Big Emotions and not know how to use their words yet. Normal doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed, it just means that every child has to have it addressed.

                                2: Have you not read the rest of the thread? Starting with the post calling the child a garbage person?

                                3: I never said anything to the contrary?

                                but I would never speak to my kid that way.

                                Then why are you defending it so hard?

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                                passerby6497@lemmy.world
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                                1 - You say it's inappropriate right after saying 'this is shit kids do', you're still softballing your disapproval by acting like this is normal

                                2 - I don't read that as talking to the child, but venting about them to other adults, as I seen tons of times (with choice words, but still)

                                3 - probably more for the peanut gallery who can't comprehend non-violent punishments

                                Then why are you defending it so hard?

                                I'm not, I'm defending myself against people making up details in the situation and acting like I'm doing it to my kid.

                                But this conversation has more than ran it's course, so I'm done with this thread. Good day.

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                                • F faythofdragons@slrpnk.net

                                  My little brother threw a chair at his preschool teacher. This is absolutely shit kids do, that they need to be taught is unacceptable. You don't teach kids to be better by writing them off as garbage humans, because they're still learning.

                                  If you call your five year old garbage for acting out, you're a shitty parent.

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                                  lepoisson@lemmy.world
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                                  You can call a kid being a garbage person a garbage person. Doesn't mean you won't help them and correct the behavior.

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                                  • P professorozone@lemmy.world

                                    Punch a teacher in the face, get a free banana. Sounds like a great deal for the kid. Maybe if he shoots his teacher he'll get a "calming Nintendo".

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                                    CarrotsHaveEars
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                                    Learn to shoot CEOs for a calming life! Nice!

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                                      but_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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                                      This isn’t even that bad.

                                      The reason bullies get away with being bullies at school is cause their parents also tend to be bullies. So when the little shit gets in trouble for being a bully, his fat parents will waddle in and bully the stuff and faculty for daring to discipline their little skid mark.
                                      Faculty don’t wanna deal with this, so they let the little shits get away with everything and only punishing the kids who fight back

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                                      • T technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com

                                        Sounds like the school can't control the kids. More control needed. \s

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                                        reksas@sopuli.xyz
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                                        its the parents who dont control their kid

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                                        • J jankatarch@lemmy.world

                                          Surely the designer put it up as a prank.

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                                          bitjunkie@lemmy.world
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                                          Hey that's not fair, this could have been taken in Europe

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