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OpenAI has a lot of key challenges that makes this a do or die year for the company.

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  • Dare ObasanjoC This user is from outside of this forum
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    OpenAI has a lot of key challenges that makes this a do or die year for the company.

    1. Their AI models are increasingly undifferentiated as too many labs have caught up.

    2. Even with raising $100B they are still being outspent by most of FAANG and can’t keep up that fundraising pace annually.

    3. They’ve spread themselves too thin by going after devices, web browsers, ad platforms and short form video at once. They don’t have the talent density or competitive advantage to do all these well.

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    • Dare ObasanjoC Dare Obasanjo

      OpenAI has a lot of key challenges that makes this a do or die year for the company.

      1. Their AI models are increasingly undifferentiated as too many labs have caught up.

      2. Even with raising $100B they are still being outspent by most of FAANG and can’t keep up that fundraising pace annually.

      3. They’ve spread themselves too thin by going after devices, web browsers, ad platforms and short form video at once. They don’t have the talent density or competitive advantage to do all these well.

      Shafik YaghmourS This user is from outside of this forum
      Shafik YaghmourS This user is from outside of this forum
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      @carnage4life

      I think your missing a subtle hidden challenge.

      Companies start to realize that smaller more narrowly focused models with training data tailored to their problem are actually better solutions. Over humongous solve everything models.

      Maybe contrarian here but I think this was always the biggest risk. Fundamentally if we look at four decades of AI solutions in production, they are all narrowly focused and this was not a accident.

      The whole go LARGE and try to solve everything was always kind of crazy if you stopped and thought it through.

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      • Dare ObasanjoC Dare Obasanjo

        OpenAI has a lot of key challenges that makes this a do or die year for the company.

        1. Their AI models are increasingly undifferentiated as too many labs have caught up.

        2. Even with raising $100B they are still being outspent by most of FAANG and can’t keep up that fundraising pace annually.

        3. They’ve spread themselves too thin by going after devices, web browsers, ad platforms and short form video at once. They don’t have the talent density or competitive advantage to do all these well.

        Dare ObasanjoC This user is from outside of this forum
        Dare ObasanjoC This user is from outside of this forum
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        4. Last but not least is that both Gemini and Grok have begun to catch up on their flagship product, ChatGPT. And OpenAI is about to degrade the user experience with ads just as the competition is heating up.

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        • Shafik YaghmourS Shafik Yaghmour

          @carnage4life

          I think your missing a subtle hidden challenge.

          Companies start to realize that smaller more narrowly focused models with training data tailored to their problem are actually better solutions. Over humongous solve everything models.

          Maybe contrarian here but I think this was always the biggest risk. Fundamentally if we look at four decades of AI solutions in production, they are all narrowly focused and this was not a accident.

          The whole go LARGE and try to solve everything was always kind of crazy if you stopped and thought it through.

          David HaighL This user is from outside of this forum
          David HaighL This user is from outside of this forum
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          @shafik @carnage4life it's classic "crossing the chasm" by Geoffrey Moore.

          Identify the product
          Start with early adopters
          Hit the "chasm" - the gap to mass adoption
          Pursue verticals - smaller focused markets that provide cash and allow you to scale

          Anthropic - focused on coding vertical - well regarded for their Claude Code solution

          OpenAI - trying to go direct to consumer with no value proposition, again and again and again.

          And flailing.

          I thought Silicon Valley learned about this concept in the 2000's. I guess this generation forgot.

          Either that, or OpenAI forgot what problem LLM's actually solve, and swallowed their own hype.

          https://share.google/gLDQjOuFbVHQkoX7S

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          • Shafik YaghmourS Shafik Yaghmour

            @carnage4life

            I think your missing a subtle hidden challenge.

            Companies start to realize that smaller more narrowly focused models with training data tailored to their problem are actually better solutions. Over humongous solve everything models.

            Maybe contrarian here but I think this was always the biggest risk. Fundamentally if we look at four decades of AI solutions in production, they are all narrowly focused and this was not a accident.

            The whole go LARGE and try to solve everything was always kind of crazy if you stopped and thought it through.

            Mark LevisonM This user is from outside of this forum
            Mark LevisonM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @shafik @carnage4life

            Agreed long term seems more likely small focused models.

            We just need the whale to fail first.

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            • David HaighL David Haigh

              @shafik @carnage4life it's classic "crossing the chasm" by Geoffrey Moore.

              Identify the product
              Start with early adopters
              Hit the "chasm" - the gap to mass adoption
              Pursue verticals - smaller focused markets that provide cash and allow you to scale

              Anthropic - focused on coding vertical - well regarded for their Claude Code solution

              OpenAI - trying to go direct to consumer with no value proposition, again and again and again.

              And flailing.

              I thought Silicon Valley learned about this concept in the 2000's. I guess this generation forgot.

              Either that, or OpenAI forgot what problem LLM's actually solve, and swallowed their own hype.

              https://share.google/gLDQjOuFbVHQkoX7S

              Mark LevisonM This user is from outside of this forum
              Mark LevisonM This user is from outside of this forum
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              @leanlearnlead @shafik @carnage4life

              Call back to excellent book. How many in the field have read it? Understood it?

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                @leanlearnlead @shafik @carnage4life

                Call back to excellent book. How many in the field have read it? Understood it?

                David HaighL This user is from outside of this forum
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                @mlevison @shafik @carnage4life when I worked in tech it was required reading. We built our product management strategies on it. Built a $19B brand at its peak.

                Moore's approach isn't a panacea - he doesn't offer much once you get to mass market, and his approach doesn't work for mass consumer brands once mature. But when starting up, his insights are gold.

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                • Dare ObasanjoC Dare Obasanjo

                  OpenAI has a lot of key challenges that makes this a do or die year for the company.

                  1. Their AI models are increasingly undifferentiated as too many labs have caught up.

                  2. Even with raising $100B they are still being outspent by most of FAANG and can’t keep up that fundraising pace annually.

                  3. They’ve spread themselves too thin by going after devices, web browsers, ad platforms and short form video at once. They don’t have the talent density or competitive advantage to do all these well.

                  Potung ThulP This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @carnage4life

                  What do you think are their chances of doing, versus dying? It seems to me that even if they die, they could just shrink back their scope and achieve sufficient concentration of talent to stay alive, thrive, and even become the flagship for a smaller number of the fields that you are describing, for example focusing on devices and then they would be able to take the lead and then expand later, if they are able.

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                  • David HaighL David Haigh

                    @mlevison @shafik @carnage4life when I worked in tech it was required reading. We built our product management strategies on it. Built a $19B brand at its peak.

                    Moore's approach isn't a panacea - he doesn't offer much once you get to mass market, and his approach doesn't work for mass consumer brands once mature. But when starting up, his insights are gold.

                    Mark LevisonM This user is from outside of this forum
                    Mark LevisonM This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @leanlearnlead I hear you.

                    I bought two copies over the years. I first read it in the 90s. Loaned a copy to a coworker and had to repurchase.

                    I’ve been at two companies that failed to cross the chasm.

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                    • Mark LevisonM Mark Levison

                      @leanlearnlead I hear you.

                      I bought two copies over the years. I first read it in the 90s. Loaned a copy to a coworker and had to repurchase.

                      I’ve been at two companies that failed to cross the chasm.

                      David HaighL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @mlevison well, if it's any solace, crossing one is not a guarantee of success either.

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