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  3. It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

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  • YappariY Yappari

    @futurebird What about the MAGA red hats?

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    myrmepropagandist
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    #15

    @yappari

    That is branding for Trump. It’s tied to one man not to something larger.

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    • Marc TriusA Marc Trius

      @futurebird I wonder how much of it is simply because artists as a whole aren't being fooled a second time. The posters from dhs definitely have an aesthetic, albeit artificially generated. And the street brutes also have an aesthetic, it's just a pathetically cheap paramilitary one. It all makes sense in my head as a coherent whole, it's just poorly executed

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      Marc Trius
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      @futurebird or maybe they just prefer generated art as part of the anti-humanness. Yeah, that makes sense

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      • George BG George B

        @futurebird

        Tangential to "let's find some anthems" we really need a good "drowning out the fascists with noise" song.

        Something that basically everyone knows, is easy to remember and needs little to no musical accompaniment beyond maybe claps or something else that a crowd can get going with no preparation.

        Thinking something like Bella Ciao in Italy where it's pretty easy to get a large number of people to sing along if a fascist is starting a speech

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        George B
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        @futurebird

        I first thought that when I was at Coney Island on Mermaid Parade day a few years back and there were some fash with a sound system talking about people being immoral and God will smite them and whatever bullshit they've been obsessed with the most lately.

        There were so many other people there though that if someone got a song going it would have fully drowned out anything they had to say with no need for amplification while also being a joyous "fuck off" rather than an angry one

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        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

          It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

          ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

          Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

          This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

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          Lily Star
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          @futurebird The playing cards are from Vietnam era atrocities, stuff they learned from their racist parents and grandparents.

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          • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

            It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

            ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

            Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

            This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

            Dave Wilburn :donor:D This user is from outside of this forum
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            Dave Wilburn :donor:
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            @futurebird

            They're trying, but not very hard (yet).

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            • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

              @mdhughes

              I think he really wanted the Kennedy Center people to celebrate him. Instead they all walked away.

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              Diane
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              @futurebird @mdhughes

              Isnt one of the things the trumpists are mad about is how virtually every artist hates their guts.

              I think the only chunk of culture creators that liked them are the podcasters and 4chan.

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              • marymessallM marymessall

                @futurebird

                Bruce Springsteen is on it, of course...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWKSoxG1K7w

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                @futurebird

                And here's Peter Dinklage reciting a poem by Amanda Gorman...

                https://www.reddit.com/r/Fauxmoi/comments/1qszw3d/peter_dinklage_recites_poem_for_renee_good_who/

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                • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                  It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

                  ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

                  Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

                  This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

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                  Netraven
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                  #22

                  @futurebird Simple. They didn't have Armani suits in COD.

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                  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                    It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

                    ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

                    Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

                    This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

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                    1337
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                    #23

                    @futurebird I think it's because it's a more nihilistic form of fascism with little purpose or vision for a future. It's a death cult first and foremost. I saw this video recently talking about a particular piece of propaganda they released that I think is insightful: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7WqVx9x89s

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                    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                      Many of the people in charge know that the “vision” makes little sense and they just can’t be bothered.

                      Meanwhile as opposition we can write and sing songs and we will be stronger for doing it.

                      Let’s find some anthems.

                      3/3

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                      A Flock of Beagles
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                      @futurebird we've already got tons of songs, people just need to learn them and sing them in the streets.

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                      • Marc TriusA Marc Trius

                        @futurebird I wonder how much of it is simply because artists as a whole aren't being fooled a second time. The posters from dhs definitely have an aesthetic, albeit artificially generated. And the street brutes also have an aesthetic, it's just a pathetically cheap paramilitary one. It all makes sense in my head as a coherent whole, it's just poorly executed

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                        A Flock of Beagles
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                        @alter_kaker @futurebird there are fascists with guitars, they just tend to attract a lot of well-deserved ridicule when anyone hears about their shitty songs.

                        we are the Misfits, our songs are better.

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                        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                          It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

                          ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

                          Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

                          This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

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                          gbsills
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                          @futurebird I suspect that the American fascists are embarrassed by their relationship to Nazi Germany not by history, but by movies like Indiana Jones, where German Nazis are bad guys.

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                          • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                            Many of the people in charge know that the “vision” makes little sense and they just can’t be bothered.

                            Meanwhile as opposition we can write and sing songs and we will be stronger for doing it.

                            Let’s find some anthems.

                            3/3

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                            Jackie
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                            @futurebird

                            We don't just need music.
                            We need to confront the problems facing our society and provide a solution

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                            • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                              It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

                              ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

                              Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

                              This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

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                              John Crowden
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                              @futurebird oh when the saints....

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                              • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                Many of the people in charge know that the “vision” makes little sense and they just can’t be bothered.

                                Meanwhile as opposition we can write and sing songs and we will be stronger for doing it.

                                Let’s find some anthems.

                                3/3

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                                estelle
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                                @futurebird one found me the other day

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ze0XKVYZRBw

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                                • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                  Many of the people in charge know that the “vision” makes little sense and they just can’t be bothered.

                                  Meanwhile as opposition we can write and sing songs and we will be stronger for doing it.

                                  Let’s find some anthems.

                                  3/3

                                  Coach Pāṇini ®P This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Coach Pāṇini ®
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                                  @futurebird

                                  Without vision, the people perish

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                                  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                    It’s interesting that this American fascism is so artless and devoid of inspiring symbols or imagery.

                                    ICE has no branding, no uniforms, no martial culture— their only signifiers and traditions are things the men invent themselves: such as the disgusting playing cards they leave in cars.

                                    Sometimes the Homeland Security department posts AI generated images but there is no gloss of honor or higher calling in this work. They hide their faces.

                                    This is notably distinct from other fascisms. 1/

                                    Robin BartonR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Robin Barton
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                                    #31

                                    @futurebird Give them time

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