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  • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J This user is from outside of this forum
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    #scifi nerds, I need your help identifying an #SF novel I read decades ago.
    The main characters each possess some sort of device which gives them essentially infinite power. They use it to create and destroy whatever they want, to travel all over the planet, basically anything.
    They don't understand how the devices work. Turns out they're connected to giant machines—maybe originally for terraforming?—that are starting to break down, and the knowledge of how to fix them has long since been lost.

    Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Michael BuschM reallyzenR Tim Ward ⭐🇪🇺🔶  #FBPET Full Metal ArchaeopteryxD 11 Replies Last reply
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      #scifi nerds, I need your help identifying an #SF novel I read decades ago.
      The main characters each possess some sort of device which gives them essentially infinite power. They use it to create and destroy whatever they want, to travel all over the planet, basically anything.
      They don't understand how the devices work. Turns out they're connected to giant machines—maybe originally for terraforming?—that are starting to break down, and the knowledge of how to fix them has long since been lost.

      Jonathan Kamens 86 47J This user is from outside of this forum
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      (I am thinking of this novel today because I believe that all-powerful machines which start to break down after humanity has forgotten how they were built or how to fix them because they provided for every need, strikes me as an apt metaphor for what generative AI is going to do to us if we go down the path that Altman and Musk think we should.)

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      • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

        #scifi nerds, I need your help identifying an #SF novel I read decades ago.
        The main characters each possess some sort of device which gives them essentially infinite power. They use it to create and destroy whatever they want, to travel all over the planet, basically anything.
        They don't understand how the devices work. Turns out they're connected to giant machines—maybe originally for terraforming?—that are starting to break down, and the knowledge of how to fix them has long since been lost.

        Michael BuschM This user is from outside of this forum
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        @jik

        That reads like it might be "Elder Race" by Adrian Tchaikovsky, except that that was only published in 2021.

        Tagging @nyrath for relevant expertise.

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        • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

          #scifi nerds, I need your help identifying an #SF novel I read decades ago.
          The main characters each possess some sort of device which gives them essentially infinite power. They use it to create and destroy whatever they want, to travel all over the planet, basically anything.
          They don't understand how the devices work. Turns out they're connected to giant machines—maybe originally for terraforming?—that are starting to break down, and the knowledge of how to fix them has long since been lost.

          reallyzenR This user is from outside of this forum
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          @jik maybe Moorcock's 1981 "Dancers at the End of Time"?

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dancers_at_the_End_of_Time

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          • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

            #scifi nerds, I need your help identifying an #SF novel I read decades ago.
            The main characters each possess some sort of device which gives them essentially infinite power. They use it to create and destroy whatever they want, to travel all over the planet, basically anything.
            They don't understand how the devices work. Turns out they're connected to giant machines—maybe originally for terraforming?—that are starting to break down, and the knowledge of how to fix them has long since been lost.

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            @jik Is it one of the Ship Who Sang series?

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            • reallyzenR reallyzen

              @jik maybe Moorcock's 1981 "Dancers at the End of Time"?

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dancers_at_the_End_of_Time

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              @reallyzen @jik

              That was my first thought.

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              • reallyzenR reallyzen

                @jik maybe Moorcock's 1981 "Dancers at the End of Time"?

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dancers_at_the_End_of_Time

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                Yes! I think that's it as well! (I was a huge Moorcock fan in the 1980s)! It sounds wicked familiar! @reallyzen @jik

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                • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                  #scifi nerds, I need your help identifying an #SF novel I read decades ago.
                  The main characters each possess some sort of device which gives them essentially infinite power. They use it to create and destroy whatever they want, to travel all over the planet, basically anything.
                  They don't understand how the devices work. Turns out they're connected to giant machines—maybe originally for terraforming?—that are starting to break down, and the knowledge of how to fix them has long since been lost.

                  Full Metal ArchaeopteryxD This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @jik
                  It's roughly the plot of the Soul Rider series by Jack Chalker, mass market paperback series started from 1984

                  #books #bookstodon

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                    @jik
                    It's roughly the plot of the Soul Rider series by Jack Chalker, mass market paperback series started from 1984

                    #books #bookstodon

                    Jonathan Kamens 86 47J This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @DelilahTech I don't think this is it.

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                    • DoomsdaysCWD DoomsdaysCW

                      Yes! I think that's it as well! (I was a huge Moorcock fan in the 1980s)! It sounds wicked familiar! @reallyzen @jik

                      Jonathan Kamens 86 47J This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @DoomsdaysCW @reallyzen Hmm. So.
                      It turns out I actually have all three of the Dancers at the end of Time books on my bookshelf in the "books I haven't looked at in decades" section.
                      So it _could be_ that.
                      But I read the Wikipedia plot summaries, and they don't sound quite like the book(s) I remember.
                      Here's my theory: I probably read them when I was a pre-teen, so maybe a lot of the stuff in the synopsis just went completely over my head then, and didn't stick in my brain?

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                      • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                        @DoomsdaysCW @reallyzen Hmm. So.
                        It turns out I actually have all three of the Dancers at the end of Time books on my bookshelf in the "books I haven't looked at in decades" section.
                        So it _could be_ that.
                        But I read the Wikipedia plot summaries, and they don't sound quite like the book(s) I remember.
                        Here's my theory: I probably read them when I was a pre-teen, so maybe a lot of the stuff in the synopsis just went completely over my head then, and didn't stick in my brain?

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                        @DoomsdaysCW @reallyzen The thing that's tripping me up is that it seems like time travel plays a significant role in the Dancers books, and I don't remember that _at all_ in the books I read.
                        But like I said, maybe I just forgot?

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                        • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                          #scifi nerds, I need your help identifying an #SF novel I read decades ago.
                          The main characters each possess some sort of device which gives them essentially infinite power. They use it to create and destroy whatever they want, to travel all over the planet, basically anything.
                          They don't understand how the devices work. Turns out they're connected to giant machines—maybe originally for terraforming?—that are starting to break down, and the knowledge of how to fix them has long since been lost.

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                          @jik it's a bit outside of your description, but it sounds like what happens when Teela eats the tree-of-life root and becomes a slightly dodgy pak protector in Ringworld. Pak protectors featurein other parts of Tales From Known Space as well, notably they have an artificial world of islands on which they stock samples of every known race, but shit is a little bit broken there.

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                          • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                            #scifi nerds, I need your help identifying an #SF novel I read decades ago.
                            The main characters each possess some sort of device which gives them essentially infinite power. They use it to create and destroy whatever they want, to travel all over the planet, basically anything.
                            They don't understand how the devices work. Turns out they're connected to giant machines—maybe originally for terraforming?—that are starting to break down, and the knowledge of how to fix them has long since been lost.

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                            @jik @SeaFury I think I saw something similar to this plot on Fox News the other night

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                            • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                              #scifi nerds, I need your help identifying an #SF novel I read decades ago.
                              The main characters each possess some sort of device which gives them essentially infinite power. They use it to create and destroy whatever they want, to travel all over the planet, basically anything.
                              They don't understand how the devices work. Turns out they're connected to giant machines—maybe originally for terraforming?—that are starting to break down, and the knowledge of how to fix them has long since been lost.

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                              @jik the other title I'm thinking of is more fantasy, being the Wind Singer

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                              • Northern ScrubN Northern Scrub

                                @jik it's a bit outside of your description, but it sounds like what happens when Teela eats the tree-of-life root and becomes a slightly dodgy pak protector in Ringworld. Pak protectors featurein other parts of Tales From Known Space as well, notably they have an artificial world of islands on which they stock samples of every known race, but shit is a little bit broken there.

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                                @northernscrub nah that's not it, sounds cool though 😉

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                                • Northern ScrubN Northern Scrub

                                  @jik the other title I'm thinking of is more fantasy, being the Wind Singer

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                                  @northernscrub Nope, that's not what I'm thinking of. The plot isn't right and it was published much too late for when I would have read the book.

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                                  • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                                    @DoomsdaysCW @reallyzen The thing that's tripping me up is that it seems like time travel plays a significant role in the Dancers books, and I don't remember that _at all_ in the books I read.
                                    But like I said, maybe I just forgot?

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                                    @DoomsdaysCW @reallyzen I suppose I'm going to have to read Dancers at the end of Time again to settle this.

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                                    • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                                      #scifi nerds, I need your help identifying an #SF novel I read decades ago.
                                      The main characters each possess some sort of device which gives them essentially infinite power. They use it to create and destroy whatever they want, to travel all over the planet, basically anything.
                                      They don't understand how the devices work. Turns out they're connected to giant machines—maybe originally for terraforming?—that are starting to break down, and the knowledge of how to fix them has long since been lost.

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                                      @jik it's not the novel you're looking for, and probably more recent, but there are similarities with Karl Schroeder's Ventus, which I really enjoyed a mere couple of decades ago, and will take the opportunity to recommend.

                                      TIL there was a followup prequel, so thank-you for the prompt to discover this!

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                                      • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                                        @DoomsdaysCW @reallyzen I suppose I'm going to have to read Dancers at the end of Time again to settle this.

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                                        I lost my copy (or else I borrowed one from a friend). Now I want to read it again! @jik @reallyzen

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                                        • Jonathan Kamens 86 47J Jonathan Kamens 86 47

                                          #scifi nerds, I need your help identifying an #SF novel I read decades ago.
                                          The main characters each possess some sort of device which gives them essentially infinite power. They use it to create and destroy whatever they want, to travel all over the planet, basically anything.
                                          They don't understand how the devices work. Turns out they're connected to giant machines—maybe originally for terraforming?—that are starting to break down, and the knowledge of how to fix them has long since been lost.

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                                          @jik

                                          The "Forbidden Planet" was published under the name W. J. Stuart (a pseudonym of Philip MacDonald).

                                          In Forbidden Planet, the godlike capability is primarily from a planet-wide (underground) machine, not one handheld item per protagonist. It’s common for recollections to compress that into “devices” (e.g., personal access/controls) because the machine effectively makes thought into reality at planetary scale.

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