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Stop memorizing your passwords.

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  • Charlotte AtenC Charlotte Aten

    @terminaltilt Aren't you just proposing to create a single point of failure where I remember one weak password (for the password manager) instead of a dozen?

    Terminal TiltT This user is from outside of this forum
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    @caten

    Technically, yes, you are putting all your eggs into one basket. But right now, if you reuse passwords (which most people do), your "eggs" are scattered in 50 flimsy baskets that all open with the same key. A breach at one becomes a breach at all.

    The mitigation for that single point of failure is hardware isolation. I would propose the best solution would be a FIDO2 key (Yubikey/Nitrokey) to protect the vault.

    We are basically trading a memory problem for a physical possession problem. Even if the master password is compromised, the vault remains encrypted without the physical token present.

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    • Terminal TiltT Terminal Tilt

      Stop memorizing your passwords. Seriously.

      Your brain is designed for patterns, not encryption. If you can remember your password, it is weak.

      In the next video, we are fixing your digital hygiene. No closed source "just trust me, bro" apps. No browser saving. FOSS digital sovereignty.

      Which side are you on right now?

      #Bitwarden #Vaultwarden #Proton #ProtonPass #KeePassXC #Firefox #Chrome #Edge #Safari #Passwords #Password #Cybersecurity #Security #Privacy #FOSS #OpenSource #GNULinux #GNU #Linux #NoAI #DigitalSovereignty

      kontrollierterWahnwitzK This user is from outside of this forum
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      @terminaltilt

      a handwritten list in an actual file folder in a heavy vault is decent password management. Proof me wrong.

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      • Terminal TiltT Terminal Tilt

        @caten

        Technically, yes, you are putting all your eggs into one basket. But right now, if you reuse passwords (which most people do), your "eggs" are scattered in 50 flimsy baskets that all open with the same key. A breach at one becomes a breach at all.

        The mitigation for that single point of failure is hardware isolation. I would propose the best solution would be a FIDO2 key (Yubikey/Nitrokey) to protect the vault.

        We are basically trading a memory problem for a physical possession problem. Even if the master password is compromised, the vault remains encrypted without the physical token present.

        Charlotte AtenC This user is from outside of this forum
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        @terminaltilt I just memorize dozens of completely distinct passwords lol. If people can't handle not reusing the same passwords they're gonna lose that key in no time.

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        • Terminal TiltT Terminal Tilt

          Stop memorizing your passwords. Seriously.

          Your brain is designed for patterns, not encryption. If you can remember your password, it is weak.

          In the next video, we are fixing your digital hygiene. No closed source "just trust me, bro" apps. No browser saving. FOSS digital sovereignty.

          Which side are you on right now?

          #Bitwarden #Vaultwarden #Proton #ProtonPass #KeePassXC #Firefox #Chrome #Edge #Safari #Passwords #Password #Cybersecurity #Security #Privacy #FOSS #OpenSource #GNULinux #GNU #Linux #NoAI #DigitalSovereignty

          joernsmockJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          @terminaltilt
          > If you can remember your password, it is weak.

          No, either my brain is strong or my passwords are memorable (or both).

          https://xkcd.com/936/

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          • kontrollierterWahnwitzK kontrollierterWahnwitz

            @terminaltilt

            a handwritten list in an actual file folder in a heavy vault is decent password management. Proof me wrong.

            Terminal TiltT This user is from outside of this forum
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            @kontrollierterWahnwitz

            I won't prove you wrong on security. You are right, a piece of paper in a safe has zero digital attack surface. Hackers can't phish a notebook.

            But think of security as a triad: confidentiality, integrity, and availability. The password in the safe fails on availability. You can't access your accounts when you aren't home and you can't auto-fill 30+ character random passwords (inturn forces you to use shorter ones).

            Paper is the ultimate backup for a Master Key. But for daily use It is a single point of failure that doesn't scale.

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            • Terminal TiltT Terminal Tilt

              @kontrollierterWahnwitz

              I won't prove you wrong on security. You are right, a piece of paper in a safe has zero digital attack surface. Hackers can't phish a notebook.

              But think of security as a triad: confidentiality, integrity, and availability. The password in the safe fails on availability. You can't access your accounts when you aren't home and you can't auto-fill 30+ character random passwords (inturn forces you to use shorter ones).

              Paper is the ultimate backup for a Master Key. But for daily use It is a single point of failure that doesn't scale.

              Mirko SchenkM This user is from outside of this forum
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              @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social @kontrollierterWahnwitz@sueden.social
              Now, if I wouldn't have to manually enter (at least twice a day) and regulary change the Windows password, which also includes Azure, OneCloud, ..., "for security reasons"...

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              • Terminal TiltT Terminal Tilt

                Stop memorizing your passwords. Seriously.

                Your brain is designed for patterns, not encryption. If you can remember your password, it is weak.

                In the next video, we are fixing your digital hygiene. No closed source "just trust me, bro" apps. No browser saving. FOSS digital sovereignty.

                Which side are you on right now?

                #Bitwarden #Vaultwarden #Proton #ProtonPass #KeePassXC #Firefox #Chrome #Edge #Safari #Passwords #Password #Cybersecurity #Security #Privacy #FOSS #OpenSource #GNULinux #GNU #Linux #NoAI #DigitalSovereignty

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                @terminaltilt Locally encrypted using age https://github.com/FiloSottile/age Encrypted passwords in a local git repo.

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                • Charlotte AtenC Charlotte Aten

                  @terminaltilt Aren't you just proposing to create a single point of failure where I remember one weak password (for the password manager) instead of a dozen?

                  Æ Sea F.H This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @caten @terminaltilt yes, but...

                  That single weak password is only between you and a local app. It never leaves your device (if the app is designed correctly). Even its hash never hits the wild Internet, it might not even exist.

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                  • Charlotte AtenC Charlotte Aten

                    @terminaltilt I just memorize dozens of completely distinct passwords lol. If people can't handle not reusing the same passwords they're gonna lose that key in no time.

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                    @caten @terminaltilt
                    My passwords are phrases in a language that nobody speaks. They are fairly long, memorable enough, and pretty much immune to dictionary attacks. And also backstopped in a password vault.

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                    • Terminal TiltT Terminal Tilt

                      Stop memorizing your passwords. Seriously.

                      Your brain is designed for patterns, not encryption. If you can remember your password, it is weak.

                      In the next video, we are fixing your digital hygiene. No closed source "just trust me, bro" apps. No browser saving. FOSS digital sovereignty.

                      Which side are you on right now?

                      #Bitwarden #Vaultwarden #Proton #ProtonPass #KeePassXC #Firefox #Chrome #Edge #Safari #Passwords #Password #Cybersecurity #Security #Privacy #FOSS #OpenSource #GNULinux #GNU #Linux #NoAI #DigitalSovereignty

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                      @terminaltilt
                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_(software) I use it with PassFF fairly often and it works pretty well. It’s nice to have a collection of password files that I can access with GPG if it comes down to it. Accessibility is less convenient than cloud, but it’s not too problematic.

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                      • Terminal TiltT Terminal Tilt

                        Stop memorizing your passwords. Seriously.

                        Your brain is designed for patterns, not encryption. If you can remember your password, it is weak.

                        In the next video, we are fixing your digital hygiene. No closed source "just trust me, bro" apps. No browser saving. FOSS digital sovereignty.

                        Which side are you on right now?

                        #Bitwarden #Vaultwarden #Proton #ProtonPass #KeePassXC #Firefox #Chrome #Edge #Safari #Passwords #Password #Cybersecurity #Security #Privacy #FOSS #OpenSource #GNULinux #GNU #Linux #NoAI #DigitalSovereignty

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                        Si :mastodon: (he/him)
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                        @terminaltilt

                        KeePass-DB in my NextCloud for sync. Secured by password AND local key.

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