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  • Alex WildA Alex Wild

    Dear Europe,

    I know you're having a tremendous time yelling at Americans, and fair enough for that, but get your houses in order because what happened in the United States is being orchestrated in your countries, and it may prevail as long as you let this sort of thing grow.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/a-lot-of-fear-the-families-bearing-brunt-of-swedens-immigration-crackdown?CMP=share_btn_url

    GrooveMD, Queer Time MachineG This user is from outside of this forum
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    GrooveMD, Queer Time Machine
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    #22

    @alexwild In Winston Churchill's history of the years prior to WWII, he bemoans over and over again how Europe could have kept Germany free and peaceful, if only they hadn't taken up the policy of repeatedly capitulating to a madman.

    Why am I reading this now? No reason...

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    • MeroviusM Merovius

      @alexwild I mean, we are aware and worried, trust me.

      But to be clear, a lot of the rise of the far right in Europe is a US export. The 2008/09 financial crisis was caused there. Even the EU migrant crisis has causal ties to US imperialism in the middle east. Facebook, Twitter and YouTube come from the US. Trumpism is being actively imported here. And now, the US has made it official foreign policy to undermine European democracy.

      Divesting from the US is part of getting our house in order.

      Alex WildA This user is from outside of this forum
      Alex WildA This user is from outside of this forum
      Alex Wild
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      #23

      @Merovius Yes, divesting from the U.S., and sanctioning our officials, are definitely part of getting your house in order.

      A lot of the fascism is coming from the United States. But there is huge interchange among the U.S. and the British and Hungarian fascists in particular. It's not entirely one-way, and it isn't clear to me the coup in the U.S. would have worked without the international assist.

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      • Alex WildA Alex Wild

        Dear Europe,

        I know you're having a tremendous time yelling at Americans, and fair enough for that, but get your houses in order because what happened in the United States is being orchestrated in your countries, and it may prevail as long as you let this sort of thing grow.

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/a-lot-of-fear-the-families-bearing-brunt-of-swedens-immigration-crackdown?CMP=share_btn_url

        olliestudio45O This user is from outside of this forum
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        #24

        @alexwild Correct. The anti-migrant psychosis brewing across much of Europe and the world, which was triggered by neoliberal policies designed to squeeze as much wealth as possible from society, is just one manifestation of the massive problem we are facing. Sweden specifically has a long history of racism, which they are in denial of but any search engine will confirm, Denmark too and the UK. Add into this mix the algos and you get what we are seeing in the US today or Myanmar some years ago.

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        • Alex WildA Alex Wild

          Dear Europe,

          I know you're having a tremendous time yelling at Americans, and fair enough for that, but get your houses in order because what happened in the United States is being orchestrated in your countries, and it may prevail as long as you let this sort of thing grow.

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/a-lot-of-fear-the-families-bearing-brunt-of-swedens-immigration-crackdown?CMP=share_btn_url

          bennyB This user is from outside of this forum
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          benny
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          #25

          @alexwild we know, but it's the same as at your place. Most do not care enough.

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          • Alex WildA Alex Wild

            @Merovius Yes, divesting from the U.S., and sanctioning our officials, are definitely part of getting your house in order.

            A lot of the fascism is coming from the United States. But there is huge interchange among the U.S. and the British and Hungarian fascists in particular. It's not entirely one-way, and it isn't clear to me the coup in the U.S. would have worked without the international assist.

            Francis CookD This user is from outside of this forum
            Francis CookD This user is from outside of this forum
            Francis Cook
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            #26

            @alexwild @Merovius sure. Look when the US has sorted itself out, we can talk. Until then this “oh look other countries have problems as well” is just deflection and your bigger problem is none of us are going to trust you.

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            • Mab_813M Mab_813

              @Nymnympseudonymm @alexwild

              The AfD is full of neonazis, I don't think that christianity plays a big role there? Germany is more secular than the USA.

              NymnympseudonymN This user is from outside of this forum
              NymnympseudonymN This user is from outside of this forum
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              #27

              @Mab_813 @alexwild Guessing you haven't hung out with AfD types lately.

              USA is, like the rest of the world, becoming less religious as a whole. But the MAGA South are doubling down on Faith (also known as "belief without evidence")

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              • SzescstopniS Szescstopni

                @alexwild It shouldn't blind, but it does. "It couldn't happen to me" is standard defence reaction. The systems work similarly all over the world. Some countries have built better safeguards, but they might not be enough. All this hate is so sad. And predictable.

                Disisdeguey🔻PalestineAction🇵🇸D This user is from outside of this forum
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                Disisdeguey🔻PalestineAction🇵🇸
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                @Szescstopni @alexwild This moment in "Cabaret" movie is just so perfect. This man represents all of us, watching and nodding with perplexity.

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                • Petra van CronenburgN Petra van Cronenburg

                  @alexwild I recommend Carney's speech, he brings the situation to the point: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btqHDhO4h10

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                  @NatureMC @alexwild
                  Carney talks a good game. I even think he meant most of what he said. But at home he gutted the national climate change policy (prompting its architect to resign from Cabinet), is gutting the public service at the worst possible time. He is leaning hard into the Canadian petro-state, which in the end is a cog in the omnicidal machinery we're dealing with. He is putting in mechanisms that will allow the executive to circumvent established laws.

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                  • Alex WildA Alex Wild

                    Dear Europe,

                    I know you're having a tremendous time yelling at Americans, and fair enough for that, but get your houses in order because what happened in the United States is being orchestrated in your countries, and it may prevail as long as you let this sort of thing grow.

                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/a-lot-of-fear-the-families-bearing-brunt-of-swedens-immigration-crackdown?CMP=share_btn_url

                    BlueB This user is from outside of this forum
                    BlueB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @alexwild also, hypothetically, anyone doing anything about it who has a lick of sense isn't talking to journalists or documenting their day on social media.

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                    • Alex WildA Alex Wild

                      @Merovius Yes, divesting from the U.S., and sanctioning our officials, are definitely part of getting your house in order.

                      A lot of the fascism is coming from the United States. But there is huge interchange among the U.S. and the British and Hungarian fascists in particular. It's not entirely one-way, and it isn't clear to me the coup in the U.S. would have worked without the international assist.

                      MeroviusM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Merovius
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                      #31

                      @alexwild I won’t claim to understand how US politics developed. But my impression is that the current wave of democratic backsliding started around 2010, on the back of the Financial Crisis. And the tea party was then as well - and the US has been on this path before even then.
                      And my impression has never been, that most USians give much of a shit about EU politics.

                      Dunno. As I said we are aware and worried. But it sounds like you think US authoritarianism is new? Because I don’t think it is.

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                      • Francis CookD Francis Cook

                        @alexwild @Merovius sure. Look when the US has sorted itself out, we can talk. Until then this “oh look other countries have problems as well” is just deflection and your bigger problem is none of us are going to trust you.

                        Alex WildA This user is from outside of this forum
                        Alex WildA This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #32

                        @dianshuo @Merovius that is precisely the attitude that will lead to fascists taking over your countries.

                        I am not trying to absolve Americans. I am trying to sound an alarm as I watch too many of you about to step on your own rake. The more you insist on interpreting these events through the lens of traditional geopolitics, the more blind you are to your own vulnerabilities.

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                        • Alex WildA Alex Wild

                          Dear Europe,

                          I know you're having a tremendous time yelling at Americans, and fair enough for that, but get your houses in order because what happened in the United States is being orchestrated in your countries, and it may prevail as long as you let this sort of thing grow.

                          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/a-lot-of-fear-the-families-bearing-brunt-of-swedens-immigration-crackdown?CMP=share_btn_url

                          Seth of the FediverseP This user is from outside of this forum
                          Seth of the FediverseP This user is from outside of this forum
                          Seth of the Fediverse
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                          #33

                          @alexwild I agree the US is massively fucked up right now, but the EU isn't all sunshine and rainbows. Come on!

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                          • NymnympseudonymN Nymnympseudonym

                            @Mab_813 @alexwild Guessing you haven't hung out with AfD types lately.

                            USA is, like the rest of the world, becoming less religious as a whole. But the MAGA South are doubling down on Faith (also known as "belief without evidence")

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                            Mab_813
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                            #34

                            @Nymnympseudonymm @alexwild

                            No, I don't hang out with AfD types, why would I?

                            My impression was that AfD was not concentrating on christianity the way MAGA does, but maybe I missed something? I'm sure I've got Germans in my timeline, maybe they can elaborate?

                            #NoAfD

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                            • Alex WildA Alex Wild

                              @dianshuo @Merovius that is precisely the attitude that will lead to fascists taking over your countries.

                              I am not trying to absolve Americans. I am trying to sound an alarm as I watch too many of you about to step on your own rake. The more you insist on interpreting these events through the lens of traditional geopolitics, the more blind you are to your own vulnerabilities.

                              MeroviusM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              Merovius
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                              #35

                              @alexwild @dianshuo TBF I don’t think social media conveys a representative image of how we view this. Most people I know have been worried about our vulnerability for at least 10 years (Brexit and the election of DJT have been noticed here).

                              And it is a topic that has been dominating public discourse since the pandemic, pretty much.

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                              • Alex WildA Alex Wild

                                Dear Europe,

                                I know you're having a tremendous time yelling at Americans, and fair enough for that, but get your houses in order because what happened in the United States is being orchestrated in your countries, and it may prevail as long as you let this sort of thing grow.

                                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/a-lot-of-fear-the-families-bearing-brunt-of-swedens-immigration-crackdown?CMP=share_btn_url

                                Dan SD This user is from outside of this forum
                                Dan SD This user is from outside of this forum
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                                wrote last edited by
                                #36

                                @alexwild everybody's yelling at everyone else to get their house in order while their own house is overrun by fascists. I guess people everywhere are feeling powerless to stop what's happening in their own countries.
                                @NaMi

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                                  @ilsk @alexwild from experience, this is not the case, & believing this tends to reflect suffering from the same pattern of self-deception that allows one to see it in one place yet not another. "Out there but not in here".

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                                  • Alex WildA Alex Wild

                                    Dear Europe,

                                    I know you're having a tremendous time yelling at Americans, and fair enough for that, but get your houses in order because what happened in the United States is being orchestrated in your countries, and it may prevail as long as you let this sort of thing grow.

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/jan/24/a-lot-of-fear-the-families-bearing-brunt-of-swedens-immigration-crackdown?CMP=share_btn_url

                                    Anne OminousR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    #38

                                    @alexwild

                                    gross.

                                    immigration to Sweden was already VERY restricted, too

                                    https://www.dw.com/en/sweden-sees-drop-in-immigration-as-more-people-leave/a-69954145

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                                    • TM T

                                      @alexwild borders are fascist

                                      Brad MacphersonB This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      #39

                                      @mateitudor @alexwild Right; so what's the next step? Where are we going with this?

                                      I'm fully on board with removing hard borders and decentralising power (while building and maintaining regional mutual-assistance networks). We need a plan to get there though, and I'm not a big enough thinker to map it out. Little help please?

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                                      • Rob Cinos :verified:R Rob Cinos :verified:

                                        @alexwild In every western country.

                                        This is an international attack of unprecedented scale and funding.

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                                        @robcinos @alexwild Yes. I'm reluctant to tag @Npars01 in again, not having even asked her, but... She does the most comprehensive rundown of the individual humans bankrolling this attempt to re-exert and solidify control over the masses by the few.

                                        These are the people bending reality to their design. How do we stop it?

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                                        • Gueule d'atmosphèreG Gueule d'atmosphère

                                          @NatureMC @alexwild
                                          Carney talks a good game. I even think he meant most of what he said. But at home he gutted the national climate change policy (prompting its architect to resign from Cabinet), is gutting the public service at the worst possible time. He is leaning hard into the Canadian petro-state, which in the end is a cog in the omnicidal machinery we're dealing with. He is putting in mechanisms that will allow the executive to circumvent established laws.

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                                          @gueuledatmosphere @NatureMC @alexwild

                                          He’s a money man… an ex banker… they’re his tribe.

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