While platforms like #Matrix or #Signal manage user identities on a server, #DeltaChat and #Chatmail are not platforms in the classic sense.
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#DeltaChat breaks the one app, one ID rule of phone-number-based apps by supporting multiple chat profiles. This allows for true private messaging where you can keep a public identity for the Web or Fediverse separate from a private one for family and friends. Managing multiple selves is a new experience for many, but it is key to digital autonomy. We are working to make multi-profile handling even smoother in upcoming releases to ensure switching contexts is seamless. (3/3)
@delta and that's why #PGP/MIME as with #deltaChat is the only option besides #XMPP+#OMEMO that ofers real #E2EE, because without #SelfCustody any claims of #E2E - #Encryption are just "#TrustMeBro!"-Style #MarketingLies!
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#DeltaChat breaks the one app, one ID rule of phone-number-based apps by supporting multiple chat profiles. This allows for true private messaging where you can keep a public identity for the Web or Fediverse separate from a private one for family and friends. Managing multiple selves is a new experience for many, but it is key to digital autonomy. We are working to make multi-profile handling even smoother in upcoming releases to ensure switching contexts is seamless. (3/3)
@delta There are only a few messengers which support multiple chat profiles,it is a nice thing to have!
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While platforms like #Matrix or #Signal manage user identities on a server, #DeltaChat and #Chatmail are not platforms in the classic sense. They operate without a central registry, meaning there is no central gatekeeper to grant or deny access. This setup for private messaging naturally complicates invasive age verification. Without a public registry or user discovery, there is no technical hook to verify users. #Chatmail also enforces E2EE by rejecting all unencrypted data. ... (1/3)
@delta I trust only decentralized messengers without providing personal information and without dubious permissions
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@delta does that mean it's legal in the UK?
@ben some people, even lawyers from the UK guess so, but it's hasn't been tested in court. It's at least clear that without global user discovery, the attack surfaces shrinks enormously for would-be-abusers.
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#DeltaChat breaks the one app, one ID rule of phone-number-based apps by supporting multiple chat profiles. This allows for true private messaging where you can keep a public identity for the Web or Fediverse separate from a private one for family and friends. Managing multiple selves is a new experience for many, but it is key to digital autonomy. We are working to make multi-profile handling even smoother in upcoming releases to ensure switching contexts is seamless. (3/3)
@delta@chaos.social only thing keeping me from using delta regularly is calling support. How is the experimental p2p calling going forward?
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#DeltaChat breaks the one app, one ID rule of phone-number-based apps by supporting multiple chat profiles. This allows for true private messaging where you can keep a public identity for the Web or Fediverse separate from a private one for family and friends. Managing multiple selves is a new experience for many, but it is key to digital autonomy. We are working to make multi-profile handling even smoother in upcoming releases to ensure switching contexts is seamless. (3/3)
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@delta@chaos.social only thing keeping me from using delta regularly is calling support. How is the experimental p2p calling going forward?
@Stomata it's improved in every release but still some time before it can be enabled by default, and be as usable and robust as we want it to be.
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@delta but matrix works without the central en identity server, i never opted in for that and can use it fine. Which features do you lose there that deltachat does have?
(Love deltachat btw)
@wmd thanks
With Matrix, you have free choice of server (unlike with Signal), but afterwards the selected server becomes an identity host, and controls access. It also manages membership in groups, for which metadata is stored on the server. Chatmail relays do none of that. They just relay encrypted messages, and forget about them soon afterwards. -
While platforms like #Matrix or #Signal manage user identities on a server, #DeltaChat and #Chatmail are not platforms in the classic sense. They operate without a central registry, meaning there is no central gatekeeper to grant or deny access. This setup for private messaging naturally complicates invasive age verification. Without a public registry or user discovery, there is no technical hook to verify users. #Chatmail also enforces E2EE by rejecting all unencrypted data. ... (1/3)
@delta bashing other projects while clearly not really knowing how they work is a bit awkward, don't you think?
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@delta bashing other projects while clearly not really knowing how they work is a bit awkward, don't you think?
@lambda could you expand what you consider bashing here? It should be fine to point out differences in architectures and how identities are handled in messaging systems, no?
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The total privacy of #DeltaChat has a trade-off: there is no global directory. Connecting for private messaging requires a direct QR scan or using an existing channel to exchange invite links. The hurdle is often the readiness of friends, family, or those around you to switch. However, once connected, the app is an enjoyable daily driver. It is about moving to a space where you cannot be found by strangers, but can still enjoy modern, reliable chat with those who matter. ... (2/3)
@delta
i would love to get my friends and familly to Delta but they are locked in the WhatsApp Prison
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#DeltaChat breaks the one app, one ID rule of phone-number-based apps by supporting multiple chat profiles. This allows for true private messaging where you can keep a public identity for the Web or Fediverse separate from a private one for family and friends. Managing multiple selves is a new experience for many, but it is key to digital autonomy. We are working to make multi-profile handling even smoother in upcoming releases to ensure switching contexts is seamless. (3/3)
@delta right now i try to find a good method to decide whether to go for #deltachat or #jami . the included video chat in Jami is definitely good to have. Anyone already compared those two ?
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@lambda could you expand what you consider bashing here? It should be fine to point out differences in architectures and how identities are handled in messaging systems, no?
@delta yes, but throwing matrix in the same bucket as signal and implying it's a "platform in the classic sense" is a bit misleading, no? Sure, Delta/Chatmail are even less centralised, but there's a world of difference between "you need to sign up to the central service with your phone number" and "you can run your server completely yourself and still talk to everyone without ever creating an account anywhere else"
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@delta yes, but throwing matrix in the same bucket as signal and implying it's a "platform in the classic sense" is a bit misleading, no? Sure, Delta/Chatmail are even less centralised, but there's a world of difference between "you need to sign up to the central service with your phone number" and "you can run your server completely yourself and still talk to everyone without ever creating an account anywhere else"
@lambda fair enough. But the focus here was on where user identities are hosted and controlled. A chosen Matrix server is similar to the non-choosable signal servers in that it controls access and use of a user identity. In our designs, user identities reside solely on end-user devices. A group chat only exists on the member's devices and no where else.
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@delta
i would love to get my friends and familly to Delta but they are locked in the WhatsApp Prison@matiu_bidule@mamot.fr @delta@chaos.social I known the pain
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@delta right now i try to find a good method to decide whether to go for #deltachat or #jami . the included video chat in Jami is definitely good to have. Anyone already compared those two ?
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#DeltaChat breaks the one app, one ID rule of phone-number-based apps by supporting multiple chat profiles. This allows for true private messaging where you can keep a public identity for the Web or Fediverse separate from a private one for family and friends. Managing multiple selves is a new experience for many, but it is key to digital autonomy. We are working to make multi-profile handling even smoother in upcoming releases to ensure switching contexts is seamless. (3/3)
@delta In some way its for the better, I have full control over who I chat with. It reminds me of the gold old Windows Live Messenger where you need your friend Windows Live ID in order to send him a request.
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