Hot take: good riddance.
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@vkc not when you have muscle memory going back to the 1980s with middle click
not when the distro(s) you like have it as the default desktop
not when the other desktops are just a heap of no
Gnome tried to get rid of icons on the desktop a few years ago. User pressure brought them back (admittedly through some pretty foul shell hacks)
@scruss@xoxo.zone @vkc@linuxmom.net
Gnome tried to get rid of icons on the desktop a few years ago. User pressure brought them back (admittedly through some pretty foul shell hacks)
That happened with release of GNOME 3, in 2011 and GNOME never brought them back.
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There is a vested interest by numerous groups within the free and open source community to take Linux in a direction that not everyone will agree with. GNOME happens to be one such group and tends to catch a lot of flak due to their unwillingness to compromise on their principles. Something that has at times caused complications in the projects they collaborate on such as Wayland.
Ultimately, we have a difference in opinion when it comes to communities and their responsibility. I believe that a community has a responsibility to tend to the needs and interests of the people from which it consists. As a YouTuber for example, you would be nothing without your audience and as such you may have a vested interest to appease them.
GNOME is held accountable only to the developers and people within their foundation and not the community. This creates a disconnect where people feel they are being ignored. When the users of your software make that discontent known and you continue to ignore it rather than address the issue, it festers resentment. That resentment builds up into the sentiment that some people have towards GNOME today.
Sure, they can always just use COSMIC which has some feature parity to GNOME. But that isn't the point. In order to maintain a healthy community, some concessions are necessary and the cause and effect of GNOME refusing to do so is the sentiment people hold towards them.
@vkc@linuxmom.net@Saorsa @vkc it's wrong to assume that *everybody* agrees on most things, or even on most things. This was never the case, and it will never be, and it's ok, and the big advantage, is that besides having a lot of optionsm we have mostly Free Software the have the power to fork. Those who don't like this, don't Like Free Software.
It's ok for GNOME to do whatever GNOME wants to do, that's called freedom. I say this and I don't always agree with them, and I use GNOME since I use Linux (decades)
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@vkc Ugh! I'm really sick of that 2010s Buzzfeed rage-bait article style.
If folks like the design choices Gnome makes, then great. Use Gnome!
If people don't like Gnome, then it's not like there isn't a range of mature alternatives out there like Cinnamon, MATE, and XFCE.
Heck, you can have a great desktop experience using the KDE apps and Plasma these days if you don't like Gnome's decisions.
And is Gnome's design choices really the worst thing going on in the world right now? Really?!
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@vkc Agreed. Although I wish wayland actually cared about accessibility
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@mouseless @vkc I love the middle click, but I would be happy if people who don't could disable it.
I think mouse buttons being millimetre away from space bar is a bad computer design.
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@emi @vkc No, Wayland neeeds to care too, not just DEs. Right now, global keyboard access and other things which assistive technology would require is all over the place and DEs are allowed to do their own thing. Those kinds of features should be a part of the core Wayland specification. Accessibility should never be a third-class citizen. And the accessibility landscape is already fragmented enough. We don't need Wayland adding to it
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@lxak@goblin.technology @vkc@linuxmom.net Why extension? There are other ways to do it
@tragivictoria
I mean to agree with @vkc FOSS users don't need to overreact to dev decisions, because the community can change the software to their liking. Extensions are just a for-instance for how these changes are shared -
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I mean to agree with @vkc FOSS users don't need to overreact to dev decisions, because the community can change the software to their liking. Extensions are just a for-instance for how these changes are shared@lxak@goblin.technology @vkc@linuxmom.net oh no, i didnt meant to question this, i just meant to say that extensions arent really necessary here, since there are at least 3 GUI options for changing it (and its being discussed to put it in Settings app)
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Hot take: good riddance. I dislike the middle click thing. Trips me up all the time as someone who accidentally clicks it when scrolling.
I think the right move is to make this (undoubtedly useful to some) behavior opt-in, not opt-out.
A lot of the gripes I see are just people being mad because GNOME makes choices they don't like. I don't understand why people write like this about GNOME, if you don't like it don't use it, your emotions make you look petty, etc etc.
https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/07/gnome_middle_click_paste/
@vkc I got annoyed regularly by middle click back in fuckin 1997, I’m glad others hate it too
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Anyway, if you like GNOME and their design concepts, you're awesome and totally a valid user of Linux.
Sick of the absurd nonsense that says otherwise.
@vkc I have no issue with people that prefer GNOME. Choice is good.
What isn't good is :
1) 'a valid user of Linux' is a problem, right there. *Unix* is not just Linux. I understand this is (hopefully) shorthand, but still..
2) Middle button gate. Good : doing your own unique thing. Bad : potentially excluding people and discounting their workflow for no good reason. *Especially* when it did work, and then does not.
3) Using GNOME as a shortcut for making Wayland accessible. Not really a GNOME issue, but if the only way to make Wayland usable for various groups is a specific compositor such as GNOME rather than fixing Wayland to work with *all* compositors, it's a real issue that restricts the choice of using Unix.
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Anyway, if you like GNOME and their design concepts, you're awesome and totally a valid user of Linux.
Sick of the absurd nonsense that says otherwise.
@vkc hear hear!
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Hot take: good riddance. I dislike the middle click thing. Trips me up all the time as someone who accidentally clicks it when scrolling.
I think the right move is to make this (undoubtedly useful to some) behavior opt-in, not opt-out.
A lot of the gripes I see are just people being mad because GNOME makes choices they don't like. I don't understand why people write like this about GNOME, if you don't like it don't use it, your emotions make you look petty, etc etc.
https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/07/gnome_middle_click_paste/
@vkc Middle-click paste is one of those "weird Unix" interaction things that really requires other "weird Unix" things to work well, namely focus-follows-mouse and the concept of an X11-like selection mechanism.
It broke when scrollwheels took over the middle button.
It broke when you slipped while bringing a window to the front, thus causing a selection in *that* other window, and thus losing the selection from the first one that you intended to middle-paste.
I loved it in 1996; not anymore.
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The way the article is written. The way the comments talk about it.
Why do people make it sound like GNOME is some sort of secret cabal of Linux haters?
It's a freaking desktop environment, they have every right to build it however they want, and you have every right to use something different. There's zero reason to get emotionally charged about it.
@vkc I've never had GNOME prevent me from using another desktop!
I have, however, had another desktop prevent me from using GNOME.
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@lxak@goblin.technology @vkc@linuxmom.net oh no, i didnt meant to question this, i just meant to say that extensions arent really necessary here, since there are at least 3 GUI options for changing it (and its being discussed to put it in Settings app)
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@Saorsa @vkc it's wrong to assume that *everybody* agrees on most things, or even on most things. This was never the case, and it will never be, and it's ok, and the big advantage, is that besides having a lot of optionsm we have mostly Free Software the have the power to fork. Those who don't like this, don't Like Free Software.
It's ok for GNOME to do whatever GNOME wants to do, that's called freedom. I say this and I don't always agree with them, and I use GNOME since I use Linux (decades)
I try not avoid making assumptions that aren't already save or measurable empirically. I was elaborating on the the cause and effect of GNOME, their actions and how they are received by the larger FOSS community.
GNOME are free to act in accordance with how the foundation and the collective from which it is composed wish to manage the development of their software and surrounding community. There are social consequences however, to neglecting the needs and interests of the people using it.
Telling someone to go fork the software or go elsewhere is not a reasonable response nor conductive to keeping a healthy community and userbase. It only communicates that you are not interested in considering external output which will rightfully make the people who use and are invested in GNOME and its ecosystem rightfully frustrated.
That is why my previous post outlines and urges the necessity of listening to your community and move in lock step with them or else you'll end up in the same circumstance that GNOME currently is.
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The way the article is written. The way the comments talk about it.
Why do people make it sound like GNOME is some sort of secret cabal of Linux haters?
It's a freaking desktop environment, they have every right to build it however they want, and you have every right to use something different. There's zero reason to get emotionally charged about it.
@vkc every time I interact with the GNOME developers the way I interact with normal parts of the open source community (i.e., come to collaborate, bearing patches and bug reports, seeking to improve the software), I am met with inexplicable rancor and disrespect. everyone knows GNOME for this pattern of user-hostility. that's why people are emotionally charged
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Anyway, if you like GNOME and their design concepts, you're awesome and totally a valid user of Linux.
Sick of the absurd nonsense that says otherwise.
@vkc Oh…my…gosh. I've never liked GNOME (or KDE). But so 🤬 what? My spouse, who is not a programmer, has enjoyed every version of GNOME since 1999 & a Linux-based system has been her primary desktop for decades.
I'm vaguely aware that *yet again*; like some kind of clockwork, the world wants to
-post about #GNOME for the 2ⁿ-th time.I gave this #GUADEC keynote 10 years ago directed at these haters; I'm sad it's still relevant,though.
https://sfconservancy.org/videos/2016-08-12_Bradley-Kuhn_GUADEC-2016_Keynote.webm
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@vkc every time I interact with the GNOME developers the way I interact with normal parts of the open source community (i.e., come to collaborate, bearing patches and bug reports, seeking to improve the software), I am met with inexplicable rancor and disrespect. everyone knows GNOME for this pattern of user-hostility. that's why people are emotionally charged
@vkc part of this is that GNOME seems to hold the stance that users and developers will never be the same people. GNOME does not focus on empowering users to modify and improve their software. it's really at odds with the ethic that permeates most of the free software community, where you shouldn't have to be a developer to use a program, but users are encouraged to change and improve how their computer works for them
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I'm old enough to remember this behavior dating back to at least CDE on traditional Unix systems like Solaris in the mid-90s, if not earlier. It was a great feature then.
BUT...
That was back when mice looked like this! They had a literal middle mouse button. This design predated the scroll wheel, which was added much later, and merged in as an extremely awkward and unreliable middle mouse button in some cases. The old behaviors make no sense anymore, at least not as default behaviors for most users with modern mice.
