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  3. Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

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  • ArtemisA Artemis

    "Noam Chomsky didn't abuse any girls".

    Um, my friend, how can you possibly confidently state that like you know that for sure? Especially when Chomsky has now been exposed as having a lot of correspondence with Epstein, mentioned how excited he was for "the Caribbean island", & told Epstein he was sorry that he was having "Me Too" problems & commiserated about how terrible it is to have women speaking up about abuse. To name a couple things.

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    Weird that you would give a man in that situation "the benefit of the doubt", honestly.

    The man knew about the sexual abuse, didn't think it should be exposed, & palled around with these folks in settings where this abuse was happening. Whether or not he physically touched one of Epstein's victims, he participated in their abuse.

    I don't care what good ideas you think Chomsky has had. He's a piece of shit & a traitor to humanity

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    • ArtemisA Artemis

      Weird that you would give a man in that situation "the benefit of the doubt", honestly.

      The man knew about the sexual abuse, didn't think it should be exposed, & palled around with these folks in settings where this abuse was happening. Whether or not he physically touched one of Epstein's victims, he participated in their abuse.

      I don't care what good ideas you think Chomsky has had. He's a piece of shit & a traitor to humanity

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      Why TF in the year 2026 is anyone who wants to be taken seriously saying "this man's work is too valuable for it to matter how he harmed women & girls"?

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      • ArtemisA Artemis

        Why TF in the year 2026 is anyone who wants to be taken seriously saying "this man's work is too valuable for it to matter how he harmed women & girls"?

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        Some people are absolutely refusing to understand the abuse culture that the Epstein files are pulling back the curtain on.

        Epstein's "friends" were all accomplices. Stop making excuses. I don't need to establish whether Chomsky physically harmed a child himself to state with confidence that he was complicit as fuck.

        If Chomsky is 1/3 as smart as some people think he is, then he understood just fine what was going on.

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        • ArtemisA Artemis

          Some people are absolutely refusing to understand the abuse culture that the Epstein files are pulling back the curtain on.

          Epstein's "friends" were all accomplices. Stop making excuses. I don't need to establish whether Chomsky physically harmed a child himself to state with confidence that he was complicit as fuck.

          If Chomsky is 1/3 as smart as some people think he is, then he understood just fine what was going on.

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          Not to mention that a man embedded with the ultra elite & privy to their private conversations cannot be taken seriously as a thinker. He is a traitor. His loyalties are not with us but with them.

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            @quinn
            Yep. You called it.

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              @lykso
              I might need to put this on a T-shirt.

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              • ArtemisA Artemis

                Not to mention that a man embedded with the ultra elite & privy to their private conversations cannot be taken seriously as a thinker. He is a traitor. His loyalties are not with us but with them.

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                And let me just say this: we don't freaking need Chomsky.

                Yes, I have read things he has written that seemed true & useful. You know where else you can find similar insights? In a million fucking other places from people who are NOT among the "intellectual elite" & who do not rub elbows with a whole community of abusive oppressors.

                Read stuff written by Black people. By indigenous people. By people who are not in the power establishment.

                I *promise you*, you don't need Chomsky.

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                • ArtemisA Artemis

                  Why TF in the year 2026 is anyone who wants to be taken seriously saying "this man's work is too valuable for it to matter how he harmed women & girls"?

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                  @artemis Because in the year 2026, the attitude that women and girls are objects for use and not really even people is more mainstream than ever.

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                  • ArtemisA Artemis

                    Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

                    Try not to have powerful people that you defend reflexively without even thinking.

                    That's abuse culture.

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                    @artemis I don't know who Noam Chomsky and I am hoping someone offers a description of what type of work made him famous.

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                    • ArtemisA Artemis

                      And let me just say this: we don't freaking need Chomsky.

                      Yes, I have read things he has written that seemed true & useful. You know where else you can find similar insights? In a million fucking other places from people who are NOT among the "intellectual elite" & who do not rub elbows with a whole community of abusive oppressors.

                      Read stuff written by Black people. By indigenous people. By people who are not in the power establishment.

                      I *promise you*, you don't need Chomsky.

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                      If you're defending Chomsky because you think we need him & his insight, I think you should try broadening your reading list.

                      I'm serious. Marginalized folks (and the folks who actually live & work in solidarity with them) can offer you so much more & open up your imagination in transformative ways.

                      We don't need the intellectual elite. We definitely don't need anyone who is "well respected" among dishonorable & abusive people.

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                      • ArtemisA Artemis

                        Not to mention that a man embedded with the ultra elite & privy to their private conversations cannot be taken seriously as a thinker. He is a traitor. His loyalties are not with us but with them.

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                        @artemis a huge traitor. so bad i hope the IWW has rescinded his membership.

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                        • ArtemisA Artemis

                          If you're defending Chomsky because you think we need him & his insight, I think you should try broadening your reading list.

                          I'm serious. Marginalized folks (and the folks who actually live & work in solidarity with them) can offer you so much more & open up your imagination in transformative ways.

                          We don't need the intellectual elite. We definitely don't need anyone who is "well respected" among dishonorable & abusive people.

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                          @artemis
                          Nobody needs more white dude ideas lol.

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                          • ArtemisA Artemis

                            @lykso
                            I might need to put this on a T-shirt.

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                            @lykso @artemis i might cut some lino to make a patch, or maybe a shirt if i can find some decent blank shirts.

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                            • Acin ☆S Acin ☆

                              @artemis I don't know who Noam Chomsky and I am hoping someone offers a description of what type of work made him famous.

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                              @shadowfals
                              Someone else could do a better job summarizing him, but he's a public "leftist" intellectual. In his heyday he was frequently the only supposed "far left" guy getting high profile interviews & he was kind of supposed to be a one-of-a-kind genius.

                              Now that we know he was besties with billionaires, it's easy to see why HIS was the "leftist" voice that was given air.

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                                @artemis @quinn

                                let's look at his record:

                                > supported the invasion of Vietnam
                                > signed a letter against BDS alongside J.K. Rowling and Thom Yorke
                                > pedo shit with Epstein
                                > hobnobbing with Steve Bannon

                                i guess those "debates" with Alan Dershowitz were really just for show.

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                                • ArtemisA Artemis

                                  If you're defending Chomsky because you think we need him & his insight, I think you should try broadening your reading list.

                                  I'm serious. Marginalized folks (and the folks who actually live & work in solidarity with them) can offer you so much more & open up your imagination in transformative ways.

                                  We don't need the intellectual elite. We definitely don't need anyone who is "well respected" among dishonorable & abusive people.

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                                  I always end up linking to Firestorm, but I am freaking in love with their curated catalog. I've ordered several books from them just based on description with no prior knowledge, & every single one has been 🔥.

                                  A huge number of them are written by people along multiple axes of oppression. Also they throw in goodies sometimes like zines & other additional materials. That's how I found Crimethinc!

                                  https://firestorm.coop/

                                  @firestorm
                                  @CrimethInc

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                                  • ArtemisA Artemis

                                    Noam Chomsky is one of those people that some people will defend reflexively without even thinking.

                                    Try not to have powerful people that you defend reflexively without even thinking.

                                    That's abuse culture.

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                                    @artemis
                                    I just threw away a bunch of his books.

                                    Maybe he didn't have sex with any underage or trafficked women, I don't know, and can't know.
                                    But I know stink when I smell it, and him corresponding with Epstein after the sentencing just reeks.
                                    Chomsky willingly engaged with and provided support for that guy, and for that, they can both go to hell

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                                    • ArtemisA Artemis

                                      Why TF in the year 2026 is anyone who wants to be taken seriously saying "this man's work is too valuable for it to matter how he harmed women & girls"?

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                                      @artemis
                                      Nobody's work is "too important"

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                                      • ArtemisA Artemis

                                        And let me just say this: we don't freaking need Chomsky.

                                        Yes, I have read things he has written that seemed true & useful. You know where else you can find similar insights? In a million fucking other places from people who are NOT among the "intellectual elite" & who do not rub elbows with a whole community of abusive oppressors.

                                        Read stuff written by Black people. By indigenous people. By people who are not in the power establishment.

                                        I *promise you*, you don't need Chomsky.

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                                        @artemis Chomsky hasn’t been needed for decades. Chomsky was a convenient bozo detector for anybody in progressive circles ever since Srebrenica.

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                                        • ArtemisA Artemis

                                          I always end up linking to Firestorm, but I am freaking in love with their curated catalog. I've ordered several books from them just based on description with no prior knowledge, & every single one has been 🔥.

                                          A huge number of them are written by people along multiple axes of oppression. Also they throw in goodies sometimes like zines & other additional materials. That's how I found Crimethinc!

                                          https://firestorm.coop/

                                          @firestorm
                                          @CrimethInc

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                                          If you want to have your mind expanded, want to come to new & different ways of organizing the world to end violence & oppression, you should go somewhere other than old white dudes with a vested interest in the existing system.

                                          Honestly, we shouldn't put aside the abusive, predatory people he cozied up to, but aside from that Chomsky invested heavily with Epstein. The world's premiere leftist thinker has enough capital to "invest heavily". Dude ain't who he says he is.

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