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Waymo Exec Admits Remote Drivers in Philippines.

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  • jwzJ This user is from outside of this forum
    jwzJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    Waymo Exec Admits Remote Drivers in Philippines.

    Mechanical Turk, meet Mechanical Filipino: Mauricio Peña, the company's Chief Safety Officer, confirmed under questioning that the Google subsidiary employs human operators abroad [...] "They provide...
    https://jwz.org/b/yk3E

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    • jwzJ jwz

      Waymo Exec Admits Remote Drivers in Philippines.

      Mechanical Turk, meet Mechanical Filipino: Mauricio Peña, the company's Chief Safety Officer, confirmed under questioning that the Google subsidiary employs human operators abroad [...] "They provide...
      https://jwz.org/b/yk3E

      fluffydotorgF This user is from outside of this forum
      fluffydotorgF This user is from outside of this forum
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      @jwz I mean I don't change gears manually in my car any more and when I use the radar cruise control on the freeway I guess I'm just advising the vehicle as well, rather than driving it. I'm still in the driver seat though, and if CHP tell me to pull over I'm going to pull over and have my licence, registration, and insurance card ready by the time they get to the window.

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        @jwz I mean I don't change gears manually in my car any more and when I use the radar cruise control on the freeway I guess I'm just advising the vehicle as well, rather than driving it. I'm still in the driver seat though, and if CHP tell me to pull over I'm going to pull over and have my licence, registration, and insurance card ready by the time they get to the window.

        The Orange ThemeT This user is from outside of this forum
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        @fluffydotorg @jwz I'm guessing you also don't claim to be changing gears manually when you aren't. When you say "I'm driving", everyone knows you aren't a little homunculus inside the engine moving pistons and pushing fluid around. When Waymo says the cars are self-driving, it leads people to believe they... drive themselves, which is not the case.

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        • The Orange ThemeT The Orange Theme

          @fluffydotorg @jwz I'm guessing you also don't claim to be changing gears manually when you aren't. When you say "I'm driving", everyone knows you aren't a little homunculus inside the engine moving pistons and pushing fluid around. When Waymo says the cars are self-driving, it leads people to believe they... drive themselves, which is not the case.

          fluffydotorgF This user is from outside of this forum
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          @theorangetheme @jwz 100% exactly my gen-x cynical point

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          • jwzJ jwz

            Waymo Exec Admits Remote Drivers in Philippines.

            Mechanical Turk, meet Mechanical Filipino: Mauricio Peña, the company's Chief Safety Officer, confirmed under questioning that the Google subsidiary employs human operators abroad [...] "They provide...
            https://jwz.org/b/yk3E

            markusM This user is from outside of this forum
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            @jwz Absolutely shocked at this development.
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            • Stuart Longland (VK4MSL)S This user is from outside of this forum
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              @jwz For reference (I'm assuming `whitehouse.gov` is hosted in the US and isn't using some anycast CDN. It was the first US-based site I could think of.)

              ```
              stuartl@rikishi ~ $ ping4 -n whitehouse.gov
              PING whitehouse.gov (192.0.66.51) 56(84) bytes of data.
              64 bytes from 192.0.66.51: icmp_seq=1 ttl=56 time=25.9 ms
              ^C
              --- whitehouse.gov ping statistics ---
              1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
              rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 25.850/25.850/25.850/0.000 ms
              stuartl@rikishi ~ $ ping6 -n whitehouse.gov
              PING whitehouse.gov (2a04:fa87:fffd::c000:4233) 56 data bytes
              64 bytes from 2a04:fa87:fffd::c000:4233: icmp_seq=1 ttl=47 time=221 ms
              ^C
              --- whitehouse.gov ping statistics ---
              1 packets transmitted, 1 received, 0% packet loss, time 0ms
              rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 220.696/220.696/220.696/0.000 ms
              ```

              25ms might be low enough to not care… but 221ms definitely is "drunk driver" territory.

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              • jwzJ jwz

                Waymo Exec Admits Remote Drivers in Philippines.

                Mechanical Turk, meet Mechanical Filipino: Mauricio Peña, the company's Chief Safety Officer, confirmed under questioning that the Google subsidiary employs human operators abroad [...] "They provide...
                https://jwz.org/b/yk3E

                John RipleyJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                @jwz There was some prior, unrelated bombshell about this, I think which came out in discovery: each additional Waymo on the streets requires closer *two* people to manage it, than the one you'd need for a taxi/uber/lyft. So they're not even an efficient form of automation. What's compelling, though, is the operators don't need to be local, or even in the same country, and you don't even need to pay those pesky income taxes to the local government.

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                • Jeff AtwoodC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @docpop @jwz 💯 also JWZ can we get Dread Zeppelin to perform? Sorry for even asking.

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                  • jwzJ jwz

                    Waymo Exec Admits Remote Drivers in Philippines.

                    Mechanical Turk, meet Mechanical Filipino: Mauricio Peña, the company's Chief Safety Officer, confirmed under questioning that the Google subsidiary employs human operators abroad [...] "They provide...
                    https://jwz.org/b/yk3E

                    Jon GilbertJ This user is from outside of this forum
                    Jon GilbertJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @jwz time to post up some cardboard signs around town

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