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  3. AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

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  • Peter GleickP This user is from outside of this forum
    Peter GleickP This user is from outside of this forum
    Peter Gleick
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    AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

    LeendaalL Mark BurtonM McHollander | Celtic Folk BardM TobiWanKenobiT GhostOnTheHalfShellG 8 Replies Last reply
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    • Peter GleickP Peter Gleick

      AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

      LeendaalL This user is from outside of this forum
      LeendaalL This user is from outside of this forum
      Leendaal
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      @petergleick also ai needs lots of fossil fuels.

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      • Peter GleickP Peter Gleick

        AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

        Mark BurtonM This user is from outside of this forum
        Mark BurtonM This user is from outside of this forum
        Mark Burton
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        @petergleick
        The problem is the industrial interests.
        Itis humanly but not technically solvable.

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        • Peter GleickP Peter Gleick

          AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

          McHollander | Celtic Folk BardM This user is from outside of this forum
          McHollander | Celtic Folk BardM This user is from outside of this forum
          McHollander | Celtic Folk Bard
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          @petergleick Then let's ask it to fix that problem instead πŸ™‚

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          • Peter GleickP Peter Gleick

            AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

            TobiWanKenobiT This user is from outside of this forum
            TobiWanKenobiT This user is from outside of this forum
            TobiWanKenobi
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            @petergleick

            Well, it can technically contribute positively to it by deleting itself. The resources and emissions wasted on the slop are staggering enough to make a dent, after all.

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            • Peter GleickP Peter Gleick

              AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

              GhostOnTheHalfShellG This user is from outside of this forum
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              GhostOnTheHalfShell
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              @petergleick

              Yup, it’s the global financial and industrial core stupid category.

              With that said the most important action is to be had at the local level with bio regionalism, which is the idea that you restore your watershed, your local food supply and make your city or town car free.

              If your community can largely live off of regional resources, you are by definition living within planetary boundaries and disconnecting yourself from planet killing economy.

              It also is nicer and cost less

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              • Peter GleickP Peter Gleick

                AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

                NazoN This user is from outside of this forum
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                @petergleick I guess the *claim* is that it can supposedly come up with some method of doing something to fix things. Putting aside for just a moment that that isn't actually going to work, LLMs certainly aren't "smart" enough (or, uh, thinking at all, but whatevs) to come up with something like that anyway. So it falls apart on its own. But, as you say, the *true* issue is that those at the top are all being bribed/already part of those who profit off of fossil fuels.

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                • McHollander | Celtic Folk BardM McHollander | Celtic Folk Bard

                  @petergleick Then let's ask it to fix that problem instead πŸ™‚

                  NazoN This user is from outside of this forum
                  NazoN This user is from outside of this forum
                  Nazo
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                  @McHollander @petergleick It still can't. AI doesn't exist. LLMs can't think. And the mechanism never ever under any circumstances no matter how much it is developed ever will.

                  But we don't really need a LLM to produce the answer there. The answer is simple: they should all be out of a career. (Not a job. A career.)

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                  • NazoN This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @McHollander @petergleick The problematic part is: we have to actually *do* it... We have to actually remove them from power and refuse to vote them in, etc. The solution is easy. Doing it... not so much.

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                    • Peter GleickP Peter Gleick

                      AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

                      Pseudo NymP This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @petergleick

                      I've said it before...

                      "Hey AI, solve our climate and political problems."

                      "Sure thing. Decarbonize the power grid, and tax billionaires until they are merely multi millionaires. Use the money for social programs like providing food, shelter, transportation and medical care to everyone."

                      "No, not like that."

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                      • NazoN This user is from outside of this forum
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                        Nazo
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                        @McHollander @petergleick What are you even trying to do here?

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                        • Peter GleickP Peter Gleick

                          AI can't fix climate change because the problem is politicians in the pocket of fossil-fuel interests, not a lack of information or understanding.

                          KatherineK This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @petergleick you look so cute. Mr Peter.

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                          • NazoN This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @McHollander @petergleick So just going for an ad hominem then?

                            Why even? You're taking this weirdly personally.

                            You aren't a fossil fuel lobbyist or something are you? What are you trying to do here? Seriously. You still didn't answer that particular question, just moved to attack.

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