Is there a way to set recurring tasks (daily, every Wednesday etc) in #NextCloud tasks?
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@NatalyaD @jetlagjen @suearcher @afewbugs @kitten_tech
The door at one of the local motor factors has a sign in English and Romanian, Albanian, Polish and a few other languages because it opens inwards rather than outwards - it must be pulled to open (which isn't immediately obvious) and you are very likely to be carrying something like brake discs (they are heavy!), a starter battery, bulk oil - I was thinking about how this design has caused an entire worlds worth of mechanics to curse it (although if there are many people inside those in the queue usually hold open the door for whoever has heavy stuff)
@vfrmedia @NatalyaD @jetlagjen @suearcher @kitten_tech that's amazing. The entire world, united in their hatred of one shitty door.
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@vfrmedia @NatalyaD @jetlagjen @suearcher @kitten_tech that's amazing. The entire world, united in their hatred of one shitty door.
@vfrmedia @NatalyaD @jetlagjen @suearcher @kitten_tech thinking about it, the same thing seems to have happened with the entire world hating one shitty president
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As a cleaner, married to a caretaker, I can assert that architects have never had to clean or maintain a building....
I am told that a reliable technique for learning new swear words is to ask a firefighter about architects.
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@vfrmedia @NatalyaD @jetlagjen @suearcher @kitten_tech thinking about it, the same thing seems to have happened with the entire world hating one shitty president
Sadly there seem to be quite a few people who like that shitty president, billionaires etc. Of course they're the SAME fuckers who like evil buildings, cos they never have to use them, they always have a nice cosy vintage style office with perfect for them temperature control, lighting, furniture, comfort and of course staff to run around after their every whim.
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Is there a way to set recurring tasks (daily, every Wednesday etc) in #NextCloud tasks?
@afewbugs There is not. There was a third party plugin which added support for household-oriented chore tracking but it is unmaintained. Your further conjecture has the ring of truth, in my experience.
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The first type is the one that tends to get celebrated, awarded and rewarded, the second type are necessary for everyone to stay healthy and everything to keep ticking over, to create an environment in which the first type that impresses everyone can happen. At home we call these housework or care work, in a professional context we call them routine maintenance or "glue"
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I've been thinking about this in the context of sustainability. We do over-value the new, when most of the work in the world is maintenance.How do we as a society shift what we value? Sure, ditch patriarchy, but it's a value heavily ingrained in society.
UBI would likely do it - a lot of "unskilled" but essential work would pay a lot better.
But I also wonder if we could somehow shift also with media or education.
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Is there a way to set recurring tasks (daily, every Wednesday etc) in #NextCloud tasks?
@afewbugs the CalDAV protocol isn't clear on this, so not natively, but you can use apps like Tasks.org or macOS/iOS Reminders app and it works well.
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@christianlupus From my perspective the way Todoist does it works very well, you mark the task as completed and it reappears the next day/in whatever interval you set it to reappear
@afewbugs Ok, I see you have some clear understanding in mind how it should work.
What should happen if a task is not done in time? Duplication or "nothing"?
What happens if you change the tasks details (title, description, progress, time, reminder) while the task is still active (not yet done)? What happens if it is already done? Is the task even there after being done?
You should be able to formulate a clear feature request to see if it gets some traction.
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Hell I even see it in queer spaces where the women, femmes and enbies are the ones organising booking the venue and bringing home made cake after checking everyone's dietary requirements in advance. The first step towards dividing the tasks that bring the glory and the tasks that just have to be done up fairly is just noticing how they're divided now
@afewbugs As a person whose primary job centers around regular technical & content maintenance, while everyone around me thinks that the initial writing and content creation is the more important task, I second every word in this thread.
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Guess which one usually gets handed to which gender. Men tend to get the one off high profile, highly regarded tasks (build the shed or the kitchen or the database), women tend to get the recurring tasks (clean the house, make sure the invoices are paid on time) that don't get the respect the one off tasks get but without which the big one off projects couldn't happen.
@afewbugs So they never learn from their mistakes because someone else pays the price on their behalf. Or is it 'takes their punishment'? I don't believe in development and maintenance teams. The '10x developers' (or 1000x with their AI slave) need to be slowed down, to deal with the consequences of their massive egos. We want those who write code that doesn't break to write more code, not them. The rock stars break too many TVs.
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@afewbugs There's one thing that I can somewhat, only a bit, accept as an excuse for talking about NextCloud in particular: It operates on CalDAV Standards and the Tasks part of that ... sucks badly. Like, terrible. I've not been happy with any of CalDAV synced Tasks because not only is support shoddy, but for exactly the reason you give.
However, NextCloud could – as any one of the stakeholders – try to push for something different or find ways to enable this use case better.
Case in point: What do people use for such tasks? Alarms are... hard to manage. Calendar entries are overwhelming. I try paper but I forget too often.
@ljrk @afewbugs I remember watching in amazement as software companies (who should have known better) tried to pretend that 'project management', calendars, events, meetings, meeting rooms (locations) and tasks were independent things. They failed to adequately identify and model the 'atoms' that business processes must model. Then we started to use distributed networks in different time zones and we were into Relativity and Space-Time, inadequately armed.
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@paavi @worik @ljrk @afewbugs Yes, if 'co-located', or "in the same place" to normal people :-). An ex-colleague told me about working for a UK supermarket which outsourced software development tasks to India. The work was done over-night. A physical Kanban board was manually copied at the end of the working day in each country. That's clearly a job that software could do more reliability.
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@paavi @worik @ljrk @afewbugs Yes, if 'co-located', or "in the same place" to normal people :-). An ex-colleague told me about working for a UK supermarket which outsourced software development tasks to India. The work was done over-night. A physical Kanban board was manually copied at the end of the working day in each country. That's clearly a job that software could do more reliability.
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Oh and before anyone says "Oh but women are good at recurring maintenance tasks because they're naturally good at multitasking": 1) saying this will earn you a block. 2) No, we're not, we had to learn to be. That's why I need a task manager to tell me to keep on top of things like that. If you're willing to put in your share of the work to maintain a healthy, functional environment both at home and at work you can learn too
@afewbugs and can we please recogonize how you do not have time/energy/further ressources for building shiny new thing, after you've done all the maintenace (and maybe even cleaned up after someone build a shiny new thing, or even added to your maintenace list with it)
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@mandarvaze It's not a joke. There are some chores I can't keep track of without reminders, when you can't see whether the thing needs doing or has been done (giving someone meds or taking them yourself for example) is something I find helpful to mark off, or things that don't happen every day (change the sheets every seven days, send the meter reading the first working day of the month)
@afewbugs Got it.
For non-daily chores, I use alarm on my phone. If it is every week at specific time, alarm if enough.
For 1st of the month/quarter, I do use recurring task.
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@afewbugs Got it.
For non-daily chores, I use alarm on my phone. If it is every week at specific time, alarm if enough.
For 1st of the month/quarter, I do use recurring task.
@mandarvaze I'm glad phone alarms work for you, but respectfully, responding to a complaint about a task manager not working for the tasks I need it for by suggesting I don't use a task manager isn't terribly helpful to me
