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Colorado pushing for age verification on the OS level https://www.pcmag.com/news/colorado-lawmakers-push-for-age-verification-at-the-operating-system-level

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  • neatcheeN neatchee

    @FelisCatusDomesticus @cwebber allegory of the cave stuff going on here most likely

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    @neatchee @cwebber

    a fair amount of horse management too, being done mainly by big corps, with government doing a bit as well..

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    • FelisCatusDomesticusF FelisCatusDomesticus

      @neatchee @cwebber

      a fair amount of horse management too, being done mainly by big corps, with government doing a bit as well..

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      @neatchee @cwebber

      Po Lo = zuck, elon, gates, jobs, bezos..

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      • FelisCatusDomesticusF FelisCatusDomesticus

        @KarlHeinzHasliP @cwebber

        well throughout their teenage years and into young adulthood kids certainly manage to learn about things their parents didn't teach them.. the naughtier or more taboo the better, in many cases. Children have brains. They simply refuse to use them. If you doubt that teenagers have active will, try telling one they are wrong about something and see how the teenager responds. Or tell them they can't date or have sex or use drugs or listen to a certain type of music. Then you will see how much agency the young ones truly possess. How capable of rebellion they really are.

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        @FelisCatusDomesticus @KarlHeinzHasliP @cwebber I think you are underestimating (drastically) the role of child development psychology and how the brain develops in determining behavior at various ages.

        How the hell is a kid supposed to make decisions we expect from adults, when different discrete functional sections of their brains are not finished developing, and developing at different rates?

        Children are not "fire and forget". You can't let them loose on the world and then act surprised when they do stupid, potentially permanently damaging things out of both ignorance and irrationality

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        • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

          Colorado pushing for age verification on the OS level https://www.pcmag.com/news/colorado-lawmakers-push-for-age-verification-at-the-operating-system-level

          Red alert! If this sounds like bad shit that's because IT IS

          There was a time when the whole internet would be rallied against this stuff.....

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          Ra (Freya) (it/its)π’€­π’ˆΉπ’ π’Š©
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          @cwebber holy fuck no. this is literally just pparents salty that their kids aren't buying into the shit parents are pushing, and even saltier that kids are, y'know, demanding rights

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          • neatcheeN neatchee

            @FelisCatusDomesticus @KarlHeinzHasliP @cwebber I think you are underestimating (drastically) the role of child development psychology and how the brain develops in determining behavior at various ages.

            How the hell is a kid supposed to make decisions we expect from adults, when different discrete functional sections of their brains are not finished developing, and developing at different rates?

            Children are not "fire and forget". You can't let them loose on the world and then act surprised when they do stupid, potentially permanently damaging things out of both ignorance and irrationality

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            @neatchee @KarlHeinzHasliP @cwebber

            this is where parental responsibility comes into the picture.

            except in cases of gross incompetence, parents are still in charge of their kids, at least until age 18.

            let's not forget all common sense here.

            when the parents are as incompetent with tech as the kids, or even more so, then this is a different discussion.

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            • Geoff EvansG Geoff Evans

              @cwebber @demofox I keep getting this idea that all we need is a UEFI Boolean about whether the device is operated by a minor, and to require ID checks to prevent devices being sold to minors. Then parents can just pw protect the BIOS old school style, and if young Billy builds his own Linux kernel patching the device tree to always show adult the they win the porn prize. I suppose we’d need a solve for defaults reset, too, but doable.

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              @gorlak @cwebber @demofox

              exactly.. parents are in charge of their kids well being until the child reaches age 18.

              let's not leave all common sense behind.

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              • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

                Colorado pushing for age verification on the OS level https://www.pcmag.com/news/colorado-lawmakers-push-for-age-verification-at-the-operating-system-level

                Red alert! If this sounds like bad shit that's because IT IS

                There was a time when the whole internet would be rallied against this stuff.....

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                @cwebber 20 hours (and on a weekend) is not enough time to rally the whole internet, give them a few extra hours)

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                • Geoff EvansG Geoff Evans

                  @cwebber @demofox I keep getting this idea that all we need is a UEFI Boolean about whether the device is operated by a minor, and to require ID checks to prevent devices being sold to minors. Then parents can just pw protect the BIOS old school style, and if young Billy builds his own Linux kernel patching the device tree to always show adult the they win the porn prize. I suppose we’d need a solve for defaults reset, too, but doable.

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                  @gorlak @cwebber that sounds real draconian. Like instrumenting 3d printers to say what is or is not ok to print.
                  In the best of times, it's questionable to give authority of your machine over to officials, and these are not the best of times.
                  This sounds like TCPA and palladium coming back around 😞

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                  • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

                    Colorado pushing for age verification on the OS level https://www.pcmag.com/news/colorado-lawmakers-push-for-age-verification-at-the-operating-system-level

                    Red alert! If this sounds like bad shit that's because IT IS

                    There was a time when the whole internet would be rallied against this stuff.....

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                    @cwebber
                    I'm sure none of the employees of these companies are child sex predators with access to addresses of their preferred children. No... There's no way this could be used to hurt the children. /s

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                    • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

                      @FelisCatusDomesticus They're too disempowered to feel like they can do something about it, which is a different thing

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                      @cwebber @FelisCatusDomesticus The kids grew up in a panopticon. I am sorry, but it is true.

                      The ONLY way we get them to push back is if we can show them that not only is there an alternative, but it is one that a person can thrive in.

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                      • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

                        @FelisCatusDomesticus That's just not true

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                        @cwebber @FelisCatusDomesticus true, high schoolers are walking out coast to coast so often I see it in the headlines at least every couple of weeks

                        What's changed is that we all know our "representitives" don't care and won't listen

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                        • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

                          Colorado pushing for age verification on the OS level https://www.pcmag.com/news/colorado-lawmakers-push-for-age-verification-at-the-operating-system-level

                          Red alert! If this sounds like bad shit that's because IT IS

                          There was a time when the whole internet would be rallied against this stuff.....

                          Fluffy Kitty CatF This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Fluffy Kitty Cat
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                          @cwebber times like these make me glad that I don't ever throw away working computer hardware. My 15 year old paranoia is paying off for reasons I couldn't have anticipated. The ram in that broken laptop's probably worth something these days

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                          • FelisCatusDomesticusF FelisCatusDomesticus

                            @cwebber I dont observe anyone dropping corporate social media en masse or cutting ties with the megacorps that actively disempower them and have for decades

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                            @FelisCatusDomesticus @cwebber you can't exactly do that individually on a dime like that

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                            • FelisCatusDomesticusF FelisCatusDomesticus

                              @cwebber information is widely available in society.. kids simply don't care. they are more interested in Bad Bunny's superbowl performance than they are about higher issues. This is nothing new. Young people's trivial minds. It's a form of self-disempowerment. A phase everyone must pass through on the way to mature adulthood. That having been said, this proposed law is ludicrous.

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                              @FelisCatusDomesticus @cwebber I didn't have a "trivial mind" at that age

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                              • Geoff EvansG Geoff Evans

                                @cwebber @demofox I keep getting this idea that all we need is a UEFI Boolean about whether the device is operated by a minor, and to require ID checks to prevent devices being sold to minors. Then parents can just pw protect the BIOS old school style, and if young Billy builds his own Linux kernel patching the device tree to always show adult the they win the porn prize. I suppose we’d need a solve for defaults reset, too, but doable.

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                                @gorlak @cwebber @demofox what is considered "porn" here? And who decides? Moms for liberty? What's the appeal process like for wrongful classification?

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                                • CarolynC Carolyn

                                  @cwebber The big thing is the 3rd parties with whom the data is shared and who are likely sponsoring these bills.

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                                  @CStamp @cwebber

                                  The claim by the Colorado state legislators concerned is that this is designed to avoid sharing anything with 3rd parties.

                                  They could simply oppose age verification software as the massive privacy violation that it is instead.

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                                  • Ra (Freya) (it/its)π’€­π’ˆΉπ’ π’Š©F Ra (Freya) (it/its)π’€­π’ˆΉπ’ π’Š©

                                    @cwebber holy fuck no. this is literally just pparents salty that their kids aren't buying into the shit parents are pushing, and even saltier that kids are, y'know, demanding rights

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                                    @freya @cwebber it's plainly oppression and I'm saddened that I jeep.having to explain this to people. They won't accept the truth even when you spell it out. Why is this? What's wrong with people that they'll toe the line for a conspiracy of billionaire Nazi pedophiles?

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                                    • Fluffy Kitty CatF Fluffy Kitty Cat

                                      @freya @cwebber it's plainly oppression and I'm saddened that I jeep.having to explain this to people. They won't accept the truth even when you spell it out. Why is this? What's wrong with people that they'll toe the line for a conspiracy of billionaire Nazi pedophiles?

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                                      Ra (Freya) (it/its)π’€­π’ˆΉπ’ π’Š©
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                                      @fluffykittycat @cwebber better to do that than to let their kids have rights

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                                      • Michael BuschM Michael Busch

                                        @CStamp @cwebber

                                        The claim by the Colorado state legislators concerned is that this is designed to avoid sharing anything with 3rd parties.

                                        They could simply oppose age verification software as the massive privacy violation that it is instead.

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                                        @michael_w_busch @cwebber "SB26-051, introduced last month, would require operating systems to register the owner’s age, which third-party apps can then leverage to determine if the user is an adult. The bill calls for the device owner to register their birthdate or age, but for the purposes of creating an β€œage bracket,” which can then be shared to an app developer through an API to learn their age range, according to BiometricUpdate.com."

                                        It does say leverage and sharing with app developers.

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                                        • Fluffy Kitty CatF Fluffy Kitty Cat

                                          @freya @cwebber it's plainly oppression and I'm saddened that I jeep.having to explain this to people. They won't accept the truth even when you spell it out. Why is this? What's wrong with people that they'll toe the line for a conspiracy of billionaire Nazi pedophiles?

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                                          @fluffykittycat @freya @cwebber Because otherwise their kid might end up becoming one of those got dang "home of sexuals" and that's literally the worst thing to ever possibly happen to anyone ever

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