So You Want To Write An Open Source Discord Replacement

Jana

@0xabad1dea I think a huge part of the last point is the room and privilege management, allowing you to somewhat properly moderate your server. The ability to create thematic rooms is, I think, what drives many people to matrix, even in smaller communities it can be super helpful to have different thematic areas on the same server. A feature that I learned to value a lot

Ntropic

@0xabad1dea federation is extremely useful though here.

53544c41 "stella" 3e29-80c8-88b0-1df1ee8cce73

@ljrk@todon.eu @0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange then you probably shouldnt be the one to develop a discord replacement

Isis

@0xabad1dea Dear user, please download our program and then use this Terminal command to bypass system security feature

CyberFrog

@0xabad1dea@infosec.exchange discord has multiparty end to end encryption so you do actually need this for voice and video data

Ratsnake Games 🔞

@0xabad1dea @isis yeah, that tends to happen when properly using the system security features require an annual ransom

Roger BW 😷

@0xabad1dea (I realise I'm muted here, but I think some of those negative points are significant)
- No federation: some bastard can come along and buy it. Doesn't matter if I can run my own if everyone else is on the Nazi Server. Federation is not proof against this (see email) but it's a necessary start.
- No multiparty e2e encryption: we don't care about black or gay or trans people being allowed to talk without everything they say being fed into the secret police machine. They, however, do.

Michael 🐸

@0xabad1dea

Thank you.

Enej Johhem

@0xabad1dea End to end encryption would be a really cool bonus

Kris

@enejjohhem @0xabad1dea No.

Kris

@isis @0xabad1dea com.apple.quarantine is not a security feature.

It is a sales tool.

Isis

@isotopp @0xabad1dea If you’re German, I must ask you not to reply to my posts. T.I.A.

WooShell

@ay @0xabad1dea If Telegram spent any effort into making their voice calls (p2p and group) more stable and user-friendly, nobody would need Discord anymore.

Neil

@0xabad1dea Certainly, most of this is true. You can always add the Things You Don't Need later. You need the other stuff to gain any traction at all, though.

Admittedly, I do not have any fucking clue how Discord works, and I have literally zero idea why people use it. I've spent some time there and found the entire experience fucking horrible.

(Which is why I'm not trying to write the replacement. I'm more than happy with IRC)

Mark Koek

@0xabad1dea I fail hard on the last item on your list of needed things, so I will not start such a project, I promise

Dmitry Tantsur

@RogerBW @0xabad1dea these are fair points, but you need to keep in mind that not every chat room is designed for high stakes conversations. Offline parallel: you're applying the security standards of a revolutionary cell to a comic convention or a book club. Which would be fine if it did not lead to significantly degraded user experience.

Roger BW 😷

@creepy_owlet @0xabad1dea I agree that that's a valid argument; the downside is that leaving out encryption is essentially telling significant numbers of people (deliberately or not) "we're not for you, we're only for people with enough social capital that they don't have to watch what they say and people who are eternally on edge".
That may work for whatever use case you have in mind of course, and I've done things like that myself, but these days it's not a good smell.

Eggs now in different baskets.

@creepy_owlet @RogerBW @0xabad1dea My experience of trying to keep chat channels for specific purposes on topic is that many people find it hard to stay on topic

Suddenly personal information pops up as they either forget or can't be bothered opening another channel or a private chat. Or they really don't understand the difference between "private" and "private".

So if you apply the security standards of a revolutionary cell to normal chats then what you "blurt out" will always remain private.

Eggs now in different baskets.

@0xabad1dea P2P communications when technically appropriate (one to one chats and small groups).

So you only need to leave a trace on a presence server/system.

I would suggest that federation is needed given the internet "land grab" that has taken place since the heady days 1990s. Power over the internet is now concentrated in very few hands.

That a problem with one AWS server farm can have such a big impact on the world is ridiculous not to mention insane from a strategic standpoint.

lj·rk

@stella @0xabad1dea Oh, absolutely, don't worry, no danger there