I am just so tired of this "AI" shit.
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@tante it's really sad to watch communities I used to enjoy being part of getting suffocated under the pressure of any old passing fool or troll barging in to start up the same old arguments about "AI"
Reminds me in some ways of the bad old days of vim/emacs or brace style flamewars in every corner of tech spaces, except that it doesn't feel as arbitrary.
@tante and one of the heartbreaking things is that the people coming in and stirring up these fights are often *beginners* who think they're hanging out on the leading edge by engaging with the topic this way
but as point of fact, they are alienating members of the community who could help bring them into it and grow their skills. because those members are tired of it and want nothing to do with people who are stirring the pot because they think it's a good thing to do.
the way these technologies mislead and waste the time of beginners is one of the things that makes me the angriest about them. newbies deserve SO much better.
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@ftranschel @tante I'm not into integrating it into everything and having AI buttons everywhere. I'd like to turn off the "refine this" pop-up in Google Chat every time I pause to think, for example. I know what I want to say. Don't bug me. Bad robot.
However, AI did save my Friday evening. Got an error message I'd never seen, pasted into Google, and it told me what the problem was and how to fix it.
AI should be a thing you use in a browser. Not built into everything and bugging you.
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@tante and one of the heartbreaking things is that the people coming in and stirring up these fights are often *beginners* who think they're hanging out on the leading edge by engaging with the topic this way
but as point of fact, they are alienating members of the community who could help bring them into it and grow their skills. because those members are tired of it and want nothing to do with people who are stirring the pot because they think it's a good thing to do.
the way these technologies mislead and waste the time of beginners is one of the things that makes me the angriest about them. newbies deserve SO much better.
@SnoopJ Yeah. The core of what "AI" produces is "epistemic injustice". On a generational scale.
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Huh. The act of typing this made me realize just how tired I am of all of it.
It's so similar to crypto/web3 when for a year or two everyone kept telling me that I was just dumb or lacked vision or just didn't understand shit and when it all crashed as I had predicted, hurting the people I predicted in the way I predicted everyone just moved on to "AI". The same motherfuckers doing the same shit.
Burns you out.
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I was interviewed for a documentary last week and we talked a lot (also about "AI") and the director told me to write a quick book on it, like bring it all to paper he'd help me get a publisher and all that. And - not trying to brag - I don't think I'd have a hard time getting it published, I do have a bit of visibility in Germany.
But holy shit do I not want to have to tie my name even more to that soul crushing, inhumane, life-negating slop topic.
@tante I get that, but I think you should do it. Having an articulate argument to point to is valuable. Maybe the one you write makes the point in a way others don't. Maybe it's persuasive to those who haven't heard it elsewhere, or who didn't resonate with what they have heard, for whatever reason. Maybe it reminds the rest of us we're not crazy or alone. The landscape is saturated with propaganda; every dissent is important. And who's to say which dissent will end up making some difference.
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@mttaggart Yeah. Especially seeing so many people who should know better bend the knee to big tech because the slot machine feels so good. Maybe that's part of it? Seeing so many people I respected and maybe even admired just throw it all away. It does feel like a form of betrayal. Even though of course none of those people owe me anything.
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RE: https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116082694984669549
I am just so tired of this "AI" shit. Truly. Not just the extra maintenance burden on my but the constant discussions that lead nowhere. I can keep making the same arguments against using "AI" for anything relevant from here till the cows come home but it's not gonna change people's opinion. Because they are "on AI" or their bosses force it upon them or whatever.
But honestly. It's all been said. Neither does the tech change significantly (regardless of what the boosters tell you) nor do the other facts at hand, the brain and skill atrophy, the exploitation, the ecological impact, etc. etc. etc.
Dunno. It's hard to keep doing this whole "keep making your point and maybe some people will change their mind thing" when the facts are all on the table and people just have made decisions I find morally questionable.
Maybe I am just tired. Will keep doing the same shit tomorrow. Keep running against that concrete wall hoping that it will somehow crumble.
@tante massive mood. i feel this in every fiber of my being. and every new day there is some horror story about it that everyone ignores and deflects the blame and so on.
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Huh. The act of typing this made me realize just how tired I am of all of it.
It's so similar to crypto/web3 when for a year or two everyone kept telling me that I was just dumb or lacked vision or just didn't understand shit and when it all crashed as I had predicted, hurting the people I predicted in the way I predicted everyone just moved on to "AI". The same motherfuckers doing the same shit.
Burns you out.
So yeah. Thanks for listening. I'm gonna crash. Sleep a bit.
Tomorrow we'll get up and do it all again. What else is there to do?
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@mttaggart Yeah. Especially seeing so many people who should know better bend the knee to big tech because the slot machine feels so good. Maybe that's part of it? Seeing so many people I respected and maybe even admired just throw it all away. It does feel like a form of betrayal. Even though of course none of those people owe me anything.
@tante @mttaggart Betrayal is precisely one of the main feelings - of course like you say not because anyone owes you anything but rather because for a brief moment of time we* had the power to shape our own destinies without having influence or capital.
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@tante @mttaggart Betrayal is precisely one of the main feelings - of course like you say not because anyone owes you anything but rather because for a brief moment of time we* had the power to shape our own destinies without having influence or capital.
@vladimir_lu @tante Betrayal and a feeling like the world is asking me to accept something I know in my bones to be wrong.
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RE: https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116082694984669549
I am just so tired of this "AI" shit. Truly. Not just the extra maintenance burden on my but the constant discussions that lead nowhere. I can keep making the same arguments against using "AI" for anything relevant from here till the cows come home but it's not gonna change people's opinion. Because they are "on AI" or their bosses force it upon them or whatever.
But honestly. It's all been said. Neither does the tech change significantly (regardless of what the boosters tell you) nor do the other facts at hand, the brain and skill atrophy, the exploitation, the ecological impact, etc. etc. etc.
Dunno. It's hard to keep doing this whole "keep making your point and maybe some people will change their mind thing" when the facts are all on the table and people just have made decisions I find morally questionable.
Maybe I am just tired. Will keep doing the same shit tomorrow. Keep running against that concrete wall hoping that it will somehow crumble.
"AI" is no different (in this respect) from the adtech surveillance thing. People screamed and screamed about the risks to society. Zuboff wrote years ago the definitive book on #surveillancecapitalism but the odious engine is still more or less intact, printing billions of profits every quarter, buying the souls of regulators, politicians etc.
Except... there are a few cracks here and there. You never know when they might grow and the whole damn immoral construct gets washed away.
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Huh. The act of typing this made me realize just how tired I am of all of it.
It's so similar to crypto/web3 when for a year or two everyone kept telling me that I was just dumb or lacked vision or just didn't understand shit and when it all crashed as I had predicted, hurting the people I predicted in the way I predicted everyone just moved on to "AI". The same motherfuckers doing the same shit.
Burns you out.
@tante wenn du magst
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@ftranschel @tante I'm not into integrating it into everything and having AI buttons everywhere. I'd like to turn off the "refine this" pop-up in Google Chat every time I pause to think, for example. I know what I want to say. Don't bug me. Bad robot.
However, AI did save my Friday evening. Got an error message I'd never seen, pasted into Google, and it told me what the problem was and how to fix it.
AI should be a thing you use in a browser. Not built into everything and bugging you.
@tante @mike805 @ftranschel
A good search should get you the same thing. It DID get you that before google enshittified, and that’s almost certainly where the AI got it. -
RE: https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116082694984669549
I am just so tired of this "AI" shit. Truly. Not just the extra maintenance burden on my but the constant discussions that lead nowhere. I can keep making the same arguments against using "AI" for anything relevant from here till the cows come home but it's not gonna change people's opinion. Because they are "on AI" or their bosses force it upon them or whatever.
But honestly. It's all been said. Neither does the tech change significantly (regardless of what the boosters tell you) nor do the other facts at hand, the brain and skill atrophy, the exploitation, the ecological impact, etc. etc. etc.
Dunno. It's hard to keep doing this whole "keep making your point and maybe some people will change their mind thing" when the facts are all on the table and people just have made decisions I find morally questionable.
Maybe I am just tired. Will keep doing the same shit tomorrow. Keep running against that concrete wall hoping that it will somehow crumble.
@tante The act of putting up resistance is valuable in itself. It makes others of us feel less alone, and keeps at least some pressure on the adopters that they still have to defend their choices. Our mistakes in the past were sometimes allowing things to seem inevitable.
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So yeah. Thanks for listening. I'm gonna crash. Sleep a bit.
Tomorrow we'll get up and do it all again. What else is there to do?
@tante Can't say "I feel you", but I feel the tiredness.
I wish someone w/b there with you, just to give you a long hug before you go to sleep.
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RE: https://tldr.nettime.org/@tante/116082694984669549
I am just so tired of this "AI" shit. Truly. Not just the extra maintenance burden on my but the constant discussions that lead nowhere. I can keep making the same arguments against using "AI" for anything relevant from here till the cows come home but it's not gonna change people's opinion. Because they are "on AI" or their bosses force it upon them or whatever.
But honestly. It's all been said. Neither does the tech change significantly (regardless of what the boosters tell you) nor do the other facts at hand, the brain and skill atrophy, the exploitation, the ecological impact, etc. etc. etc.
Dunno. It's hard to keep doing this whole "keep making your point and maybe some people will change their mind thing" when the facts are all on the table and people just have made decisions I find morally questionable.
Maybe I am just tired. Will keep doing the same shit tomorrow. Keep running against that concrete wall hoping that it will somehow crumble.
@tante I understand the sentiment, it is so very, very tiring.
Yet, I hold out hope, because I have seen the future.
Our twins are second year in elementary, their teacher used to use ChatGPT to give them homework. The assignments were full of misspellings and other errors (ChatGPT sucks at Hungarian). We helped the kids correct those mistakes, and when they showed their homework, the teacher saw the red lines under the mistakes, and the corrections - also in red. Kids didn't say anything. Didn't call her out. They made her uncomfortable.
By the next week, the entire class was doing this, and the teacher stopped using ChatGPT. By the end of the month, the entire school was having great fun correcting AI mistakes.
Today, "AI", for the kids, is synonymous with "liar", "idiot", "wrong", "bad". And they teach it to their parents. I've seen some of them turn, and it's becoming harder and harder to be pro-AI in our little town. Being one is considered ridiculous.
It's a small thing. But it gives me hope.
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