did my civic duty today:went to a local donut shopnoticed they had a new ring camera up

Viss

@hosford42 @ewhac any camera with a corporation in the middle is suspect

John E. Bartley, III (D) K7AAY

lizzzzard

@ahltorp @zymurgic @Li Not in Europe, my friend. Get some proper laws passed!

Li ~ Crystal System

@lizzard @ahltorp @zymurgic no no you see they just say that the only 'personal information' on your accuont is your bio or some shit, and simply renaming your account to 'deleted account' is somehow sufficient, this is fucking everywhere, discord does this regardlesss of region, so does matrix, and a bunch of other shit,

Androcat

@danjones000

God, man, you know, your Alexa device also sends recordings to be listened to by auditors "for quality control".
But in reality that's just a fig leaf in the EULA.

You know how corporations work, right? Anything you've signed off on is their property. You sign the EULA that say they may do X for the purpose of Y, and you should very well damn know they are going to grab every X and keep, regardless of any Y. You signed off that they can grab it, and they don't have to prove it's for the purpose of Y.

Sucker.

@Viss @Herndonite

Hannah Steenbock

@danjones000

Just pointing out here that ICE are not respecting any laws, have been promised total immunity and ARE searching everything without bothering with warrants.

The entire US government is blithely ignoring the law as well as court decisions, and threatening any tech that resists them.

You do not give an authoritarian state extra eyes. Ever. Not even if it's a mere possibility.

And that is all I will say in this discussion.

@Viss @Herndonite

Fokeu 🇪🇺🚩

@Viss that's great. Ring is basically a bug that people voluntarily put inside their homes, kinda insane.

Nicovel0 🍉

@lizzard @ahltorp @zymurgic @Li@tech.lgbt money paid for the subscription still goes to Bezos, that’s why I will replace mine this summer when the sub is up for renewal.

Dan Jones

Those are all good and valid points.

Also, if you simply don't trust Ring to abide by the safeguards they claim to have in place, that's also valid.

Personally, I think having any camera that is connected to any sort of publicly available cloud is risky, because we've seen that the NSA has no problem hacking servers like that to increase their public surveillance network, and I have no doubt that the NSA would also help ICE in whatever crap they want to pull.

And if you don't want to use a Ring camera simply because they have any sort of agreement with Falcon, since Falcon is a terrible thing that shouldn't exist at all, that's also valid.

But it's important that we're not simply sharing rage bait without actually confirming the veracity of the statements first. The Trump regime and its allies use lies and misinformation to scare people into agreeing with them. It's important that we who oppose them don't use the same tactic.

So, we should be careful not to make up, or share unsubstantiated claims like "Every Ring camera is a surveillance tool for ICE", which the evidence doesn't show.

Tell people the truth.

Tell people that Ring works with local law enforcement, who works with ICE, and it's possible that ICE could see your camera feed. And that Ring says that safeguards are in place to ensure that the feed is only shared with your permission, but that those safeguards might not be sufficient, and that, in your opinion, it's not worth taking the risk.

@Firlefanz@writing.exchange @Viss@mastodon.social @Herndonite@mastodon.online