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I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

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  • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

    I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

    Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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    @Impossible_PhD raises hand partner and I moved from "purple state" to "blue state" December 2024...

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    • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

      @lilo Which number? The USTS is easily googlable, and the 400,000 number broke a few days ago, so that's easily googlable too.

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      @Impossible_PhD I mean a source for the statement "Over 400,000 transgender people have fled their home states for safer ones since the 2024 election". Found it now, for other readers: https://www.mapresearch.org/2025-norc-survey-report

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      • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

        I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

        Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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        disorderlyfD This user is from outside of this forum
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        @Impossible_PhD I would've left the US faster if I could. I had to leave for the States midway through immigrating, got denied entry, and had to start the process from scratch in the US. Given that I'm literally just waiting on the PR card, I might have been able to be a card-carrying immigrant before 2025 ended if that didn't happen.

        I lived in Chicago previously since 2017. Were it not for the way the election went and the federal policy changes, I would've died, ideally of old age, in Chicago. The city saved my life, but I got tired of being a Cassandra after over a year of begging every trans person I had interactions with to take this shit seriously, to prepare to either flee or face literal warfare.

        While I may have been wrong about warfare, that's mostly because I overestimated how violent the response to what ICE is doing would be.

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        • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

          I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

          Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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          Irenes (many)I This user is from outside of this forum
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          @Impossible_PhD and, of course, a lot of us fled those states long ago for broadly similar reasons and thus don't appear in this number. the true amount of displacement is even larger. it's a profound indictment of the country and its dominant cultures.

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          • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

            I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

            Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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            Hel 🪷 :antifa:S This user is from outside of this forum
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            @Impossible_PhD #ALT4you

            Image tile. One sees two keys and a Trans Pride flag key fob on a keyring. The emphasized caption above the keyring reads: "Over 400.000 transgender people have fled their home states for safer ones since the 2024 election"

            Another caption under the keyring reads: This marks one of the largest domestic relocations in modern U.S. history.

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            • Eira TanseyT Eira Tansey

              @Impossible_PhD Hopefully future studies try to gauge the distance (i.e. miles) and typical migration patterns of these moves. I'm thinking of how a lot of studies of climate change related internal movement often show that people typically move to the nearest perceived safe location, and the Great Migration itself had a lot of "typical" migration routes (e.g., I seem to recall that the Black migrants to Chicago and New York typically came from different parts of the South).

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              @TeamMidwest @Impossible_PhD if you're tracking moves between states, yes that makes a lot of sense. For those moving counties it's really a lottery as to which places will take you, based on family history and age and what work skills you may have

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              • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                And, like any mass-migration, the folks moving first are those most able to. People with money, family, connections--this migration is ***noooooot*** over.

                If this keeps up, percentage-wise, it may be the most rapid non-forced (ie Trail of Tears) mass-migration in American history.

                I could absolutely be wrong here, to be clear. If I am, I'd appreciate any sociologists or historians popping in to correct me.

                But over 12% of a demographic fleeing a region in a year is beyond flabbergasting to me.

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                @Impossible_PhD This is what happens when people have to either flee or fight an openly announced genocide.

                My trans friends are fighting a war of survival and I stand with them. I know if they are defeated nonmonagamous Gay and Bi men like myself are next in line. As I warn my partners, the time to fight is NOW.

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                • Oinak :ruby:O Oinak :ruby:

                  @Impossible_PhD US law and policies against trans people do qualify as Genocide under Geneva Convention's definition. Sadly it is neither the first nor the last one happening under US auspice. Having some of our worst leaders pinning after US right wing drift and post-democracy decline is one of the things that steals the peace from my sleep

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                  @oinak @Impossible_PhD Remember that Naziism got the idea for the Holocaust from the genocide of Indigenous people here.

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                  • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                    I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                    Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

                    Just

                    Last

                    Year

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                    @Impossible_PhD

                    I was lucky, born and raised in California. Came out late in life, 22 years ago I came out at work. Being trans is not easy, 3/4 of the Trans people I knew are now dead from suicide or drug overdoses. The only advice I can give is to get all your documents drivers license, birth certificate and your financials in order, new name and sex, the last document I need is my passport.

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                    • disorderlyfD disorderlyf

                      @Impossible_PhD I would've left the US faster if I could. I had to leave for the States midway through immigrating, got denied entry, and had to start the process from scratch in the US. Given that I'm literally just waiting on the PR card, I might have been able to be a card-carrying immigrant before 2025 ended if that didn't happen.

                      I lived in Chicago previously since 2017. Were it not for the way the election went and the federal policy changes, I would've died, ideally of old age, in Chicago. The city saved my life, but I got tired of being a Cassandra after over a year of begging every trans person I had interactions with to take this shit seriously, to prepare to either flee or face literal warfare.

                      While I may have been wrong about warfare, that's mostly because I overestimated how violent the response to what ICE is doing would be.

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                      @disorderlyf @Impossible_PhD You are not wrong about warfare, it's just a "low intensity conflict" at this moment. It's not a cold civil war anymore though, it's more like the Troubles in Northern Ireland or the Years of Lead in Greece.

                      I cannot even keep track of all the assasinations and attempts anymore. We have had members of one party (the GOP) burning homes of members of their main rivals(the Dems) while those homes were occupied.

                      We've had Trump's Gestapo and SS (ICE and CPB)occupying multiple cities and battles fought in the streets to resist the occupations. In Minneapolis we are winning most of the battles but we've had three people shot with two dead by enemy forces there-JUST in Minneapolis and all in one month.

                      Armed National Guard on US streets are not an uncommon sight in many places, though to their credit blue state National Guard troops often seem to be deploying the "work to rule" style slowdown to avoid fighting for Trump. In DC there were National Guard patrols last fall studiously cleaning up litter from the roads while ICE got their ass kicked by a crowd less than a mile away.

                      If ICE or CBP shows up to kidnap a specific person and counterattack by resistance fighters pins them down while that person escapes, by definition that battle is a defeat for Trumpist forces. This is because they enter the battle with a specific goal and defenders prevented them from reaching that goal.

                      Trumpist forces are trying to make posessing anarchist literature a felony. A bill in Florida would make "material support" to any ideology on a ban list a FELONY. Such laws are enforced by roadside ambushes and armed house raids, both of which can turn into unpleasant surprises for the attackers at any time.

                      Multiple CBP offices were shot up last year (one right after the i\Inauguration), though the Texas Prarieland ICE detention center noise demo case with its unknown facts seems to have overshadowed all of thm.

                      We had the Tesla fires a year ago, in an early offensive against Trump and DOGE. The majority of the underground fighters behind those fires appear to have escaped.

                      Now we've had three fires (one with a propane tank in it) in potential ICE warehouses in barely over a week.

                      The real achievement in Minneapolis is this: the backbone of the fighting is not career activists but self-organized fed up civilians who became resistance fighters out of necessity. A full quarter of the city participated in the biggest general strike in some way and many businesses closed for the day. About 8% of the city did not show up for work that day. On the Northern Front, we are winning and Trump is losing, one battle at a time.

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                      • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                        I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                        Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                        feldF This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @Impossible_PhD when ~1 million african americans moved from the south to the north in a short period of time in the early 1900s it was referred to as "The Great Migration"

                        I wonder what they'll call this in the history books
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                        • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                          I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                          Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                          @Impossible_PhD Makes sense, you want to be in a good state for when the civil war breaks out. I'd be doing the same thing if I lived in America.

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                          • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                            And, like any mass-migration, the folks moving first are those most able to. People with money, family, connections--this migration is ***noooooot*** over.

                            If this keeps up, percentage-wise, it may be the most rapid non-forced (ie Trail of Tears) mass-migration in American history.

                            I could absolutely be wrong here, to be clear. If I am, I'd appreciate any sociologists or historians popping in to correct me.

                            But over 12% of a demographic fleeing a region in a year is beyond flabbergasting to me.

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                            @Impossible_PhD
                            Experts are warning U.S. in early stages of Genocide against TransAmericans.

                            https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/experts-warn-u-s-in-early-stages-of-genocide-against-trans-americans

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                            • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                              And, like any mass-migration, the folks moving first are those most able to. People with money, family, connections--this migration is ***noooooot*** over.

                              If this keeps up, percentage-wise, it may be the most rapid non-forced (ie Trail of Tears) mass-migration in American history.

                              I could absolutely be wrong here, to be clear. If I am, I'd appreciate any sociologists or historians popping in to correct me.

                              But over 12% of a demographic fleeing a region in a year is beyond flabbergasting to me.

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                              @Impossible_PhD it might be more similar to the Chinese Retreat in the late 1800s

                              e.g.,

                              > The retreat of Chinese residents from Idaho was especially striking. In 1870, Chinese made up one-third of the population of Idaho. By 1910, almost none remained.
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                              • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                                I think this is one of those things that's stunning, in all the worst ways, and most of them aren't obvious.

                                Let's start with the basics: there are about 5.5 million trans Americans. This means that *nearly 10% of the entire trans population of the nation* has moved.

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                                @Impossible_PhD I have trans friends that have moved to different countries since Dump became pedo in charge. And good for them for getting out when they could! I cannot blame anyone who is fleeing to perserve their lives. This administration is making its own citizens political refugees!

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                                • Jo - pièce de résistanceJ Jo - pièce de résistance

                                  @Impossible_PhD
                                  Experts are warning U.S. in early stages of Genocide against TransAmericans.

                                  https://www.lemkininstitute.com/single-post/experts-warn-u-s-in-early-stages-of-genocide-against-trans-americans

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                                  @JoBlakely I am a trans professor. I'm very very well aware.

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                                  • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                                    @JoBlakely I am a trans professor. I'm very very well aware.

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                                    @Impossible_PhD oh. Sorry! I didn’t realize. Wasn’t trying to explain to you anything. Just add to the convo.

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                                    • Jo - pièce de résistanceJ Jo - pièce de résistance

                                      @Impossible_PhD oh. Sorry! I didn’t realize. Wasn’t trying to explain to you anything. Just add to the convo.

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                                      @JoBlakely Yeah, I'm literally writing a scholarly book right now, and cite that report in it. 😅

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                                      • Doc ImpossibleI Doc Impossible

                                        @JoBlakely Yeah, I'm literally writing a scholarly book right now, and cite that report in it. 😅

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                                        @Impossible_PhD I probably heard about it from you!

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                                        • LukefromDCL LukefromDC

                                          @disorderlyf @Impossible_PhD You are not wrong about warfare, it's just a "low intensity conflict" at this moment. It's not a cold civil war anymore though, it's more like the Troubles in Northern Ireland or the Years of Lead in Greece.

                                          I cannot even keep track of all the assasinations and attempts anymore. We have had members of one party (the GOP) burning homes of members of their main rivals(the Dems) while those homes were occupied.

                                          We've had Trump's Gestapo and SS (ICE and CPB)occupying multiple cities and battles fought in the streets to resist the occupations. In Minneapolis we are winning most of the battles but we've had three people shot with two dead by enemy forces there-JUST in Minneapolis and all in one month.

                                          Armed National Guard on US streets are not an uncommon sight in many places, though to their credit blue state National Guard troops often seem to be deploying the "work to rule" style slowdown to avoid fighting for Trump. In DC there were National Guard patrols last fall studiously cleaning up litter from the roads while ICE got their ass kicked by a crowd less than a mile away.

                                          If ICE or CBP shows up to kidnap a specific person and counterattack by resistance fighters pins them down while that person escapes, by definition that battle is a defeat for Trumpist forces. This is because they enter the battle with a specific goal and defenders prevented them from reaching that goal.

                                          Trumpist forces are trying to make posessing anarchist literature a felony. A bill in Florida would make "material support" to any ideology on a ban list a FELONY. Such laws are enforced by roadside ambushes and armed house raids, both of which can turn into unpleasant surprises for the attackers at any time.

                                          Multiple CBP offices were shot up last year (one right after the i\Inauguration), though the Texas Prarieland ICE detention center noise demo case with its unknown facts seems to have overshadowed all of thm.

                                          We had the Tesla fires a year ago, in an early offensive against Trump and DOGE. The majority of the underground fighters behind those fires appear to have escaped.

                                          Now we've had three fires (one with a propane tank in it) in potential ICE warehouses in barely over a week.

                                          The real achievement in Minneapolis is this: the backbone of the fighting is not career activists but self-organized fed up civilians who became resistance fighters out of necessity. A full quarter of the city participated in the biggest general strike in some way and many businesses closed for the day. About 8% of the city did not show up for work that day. On the Northern Front, we are winning and Trump is losing, one battle at a time.

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                                          @LukefromDC @Impossible_PhD While I suspect you're right, I want to specify that what I expected when ICE/CBP did start shooting civilians was more more deadly and more one-sided. (at least, initially) I expected us to be at tens or hundreds or casualties within the first few months. I expected millions of unambiguous American citizens sheltering in place for fear of being shot for allegedly aiding "illegal" immigrants. (when I say unambiguous, I unfortunately mean white, given how racist the administration is in their enforcement) It's frankly a miracle I was wrong about that, that whistles and phone cameras were as effective as they have been.

                                          It's almost entirely certain more people were shot and/or killed, given we learned of someone who got shot much sooner by ICE only just recently. I only hope that the success of nonviolent or far less violent action against CBP/ICE is indicative of how badly it'll go if things truly do escalate to the point where merely having a whistle and a phone won't be enough to prevent anyone from being shot.

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