Re: LRT
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@gwynnion ngl, I don't even live in the US and I am scared about your next election cycle … and if it will even happen. Maybe Trump croaks before that – there is a realistic chance the rest is too chicken to attempt this without their demented supervillain in front of them as a shield (y'know, for "plausible denial" later, as if).
@orangelantern There is a great deal of uncertainty and it's only ignorance and the sense of inertia keeping people from freaking out all over the country. Many have yet to understand how bad things are because day to day life continues to look "normal" even as conditions deteriorate.
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All throughout the Epstein e-mails, you can see these people recoiling at the idea of a global community and wanting to forcibly return to "tribalism" and authoritarian ethno-states. Undermining democracy and the rule of law and reducing women to a sexual slave caste and impoverishing people to make them totally dependent on neo-feudal overlords is the whole point.
@gwynnion EXACTLY!
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Re: LRT
People misunderstand that the conservative movement does not occupy the same political-philosophical space the rest of us do, where democracy, science, and human rights are important.
As right-wingers will happily tell you, the project is to abolish modern civilization and reinstate the rule of monarchs, warlords, and wealthy land-owning aristocrats. The goal is for massive numbers of people to die and for the rest of us to become slaves.
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All throughout the Epstein e-mails, you can see these people recoiling at the idea of a global community and wanting to forcibly return to "tribalism" and authoritarian ethno-states. Undermining democracy and the rule of law and reducing women to a sexual slave caste and impoverishing people to make them totally dependent on neo-feudal overlords is the whole point.
Even if they wanted to, the media couldn't properly convey the contents of the Epstein e-mails without calling for a revolution, basically.
Because rich and powerful people all over the world are openly talking about overthrowing modern society with devastating consequences.
It's useless to say they don't really believe it because it's literally what they say when they think they're alone and in private.
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@gwynnion And of course, they always, ALWAYS, think they will never be part of the enslaved group.
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@orangelantern There is a great deal of uncertainty and it's only ignorance and the sense of inertia keeping people from freaking out all over the country. Many have yet to understand how bad things are because day to day life continues to look "normal" even as conditions deteriorate.
@gwynnion Maybe "freaking out" is the thing to do right now. I don't see a "back to normal" even as an option here. It would be such an obvious lie. And that's another thing: This is what Democrats would probably try to go for should they re-take control. And it would be really bad too, because it would prevent all healing and just heat up the charge for the next attempt at open fascism.
They would need to openly go against their right-wing buddies, attack them even. And I really can't even imagine them doing that. They don't even use the limited power they have rn properly. There would have to be *a lot* of structural change within the party to make that happen.
It would also lull the conservative governments of other countries around the world into a false sense of security, just to have us fall on our collective asses again once the next madman takes the wheel, after the Dems don't manage to magically fix everything within 4 years. This cycle has to break first.
But on the other hand, more people getting killed and endangered really doesn't seem to be the answer here either. So ofc it would be good short-term if the regime lost power. It is a truly fucked-up situation, this whole thing, with only few (and unlikely) win states. -
@gwynnion Maybe "freaking out" is the thing to do right now. I don't see a "back to normal" even as an option here. It would be such an obvious lie. And that's another thing: This is what Democrats would probably try to go for should they re-take control. And it would be really bad too, because it would prevent all healing and just heat up the charge for the next attempt at open fascism.
They would need to openly go against their right-wing buddies, attack them even. And I really can't even imagine them doing that. They don't even use the limited power they have rn properly. There would have to be *a lot* of structural change within the party to make that happen.
It would also lull the conservative governments of other countries around the world into a false sense of security, just to have us fall on our collective asses again once the next madman takes the wheel, after the Dems don't manage to magically fix everything within 4 years. This cycle has to break first.
But on the other hand, more people getting killed and endangered really doesn't seem to be the answer here either. So ofc it would be good short-term if the regime lost power. It is a truly fucked-up situation, this whole thing, with only few (and unlikely) win states.@orangelantern A national freakout would be healthy and probably productive but I don't see that happening until a lot more people have seen their friends and family members shot in the face by regime forces.
Biden was probably the last chance for a back to normal period and then only if they took major steps to stop these people. They didn't. They enabled them. They supported them. So where does that leave us? Nowhere good.
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@orangelantern A national freakout would be healthy and probably productive but I don't see that happening until a lot more people have seen their friends and family members shot in the face by regime forces.
Biden was probably the last chance for a back to normal period and then only if they took major steps to stop these people. They didn't. They enabled them. They supported them. So where does that leave us? Nowhere good.
@orangelantern People I otherwise respect are pissed that "we" didn't elect Kamala Harris when her entire platform was to continue Biden's appeasement and complicity approach to the far right. Yeah, nobody wants THIS. But THIS was always going to happen because nobody in power tried to stop it. And any short-term Democratic victory, however good it feels in the moment, will inevitably circle back around to THIS unless it's dealt with.
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@orangelantern People I otherwise respect are pissed that "we" didn't elect Kamala Harris when her entire platform was to continue Biden's appeasement and complicity approach to the far right. Yeah, nobody wants THIS. But THIS was always going to happen because nobody in power tried to stop it. And any short-term Democratic victory, however good it feels in the moment, will inevitably circle back around to THIS unless it's dealt with.
@orangelantern And THIS was already happening depending on who you are. It was just quieter then compared to Trump.
But that quiet is all most of these people care about. So they don't have to deal with it or hear about it.
Because every time the Democrats win, they shut down any attempt to change things, causing even greater apathy and disillusionment, guaranteeing THIS will happen again, only worse.
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@orangelantern People I otherwise respect are pissed that "we" didn't elect Kamala Harris when her entire platform was to continue Biden's appeasement and complicity approach to the far right. Yeah, nobody wants THIS. But THIS was always going to happen because nobody in power tried to stop it. And any short-term Democratic victory, however good it feels in the moment, will inevitably circle back around to THIS unless it's dealt with.
@gwynnion@mastodon.social I agree with you on this. Would this have prevented this situation right now? Yes. For a time. And then it would have hit anyway, just with much more force. The only way to prevent this would have been an actual left-wing candidate, presenting a strong and workable counter-point to the lies and violence of the right. Someone willing to fight on the field this battle is actually taking place, not trying to pose as a member of the attacking force. And Harris certainly wasn't this, just as Biden wasn't.
I am scared shitless watching our "moderate" conservatives stretching this rubber band to its limits as well. <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://labyrinth.zone/emoji/neofox/neofox_nervous_256.png" title=":neofox_nervous:" /> But in your case, the boiler was already running past capacity, needles punching against the limit and the thing giving off shrill whistles and death rattles. And the Dems were like "ehh, it's just being dramatic, it can take a few more hours running at full throttle."
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@gwynnion@mastodon.social I agree with you on this. Would this have prevented this situation right now? Yes. For a time. And then it would have hit anyway, just with much more force. The only way to prevent this would have been an actual left-wing candidate, presenting a strong and workable counter-point to the lies and violence of the right. Someone willing to fight on the field this battle is actually taking place, not trying to pose as a member of the attacking force. And Harris certainly wasn't this, just as Biden wasn't.
I am scared shitless watching our "moderate" conservatives stretching this rubber band to its limits as well. <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://labyrinth.zone/emoji/neofox/neofox_nervous_256.png" title=":neofox_nervous:" /> But in your case, the boiler was already running past capacity, needles punching against the limit and the thing giving off shrill whistles and death rattles. And the Dems were like "ehh, it's just being dramatic, it can take a few more hours running at full throttle."
@orangelantern Yeah, Biden was supposed to be the "buck stops here" moment.
He campaigned on stopping Trump and then blew it off and swung hard right trying to capture his support. He fed these fucking trolls and Harris did the same. Were we supposed to reward betrayal? Because that's what it was. What's the point of defeating Trump if you do the same things he did?
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@orangelantern Yeah, Biden was supposed to be the "buck stops here" moment.
He campaigned on stopping Trump and then blew it off and swung hard right trying to capture his support. He fed these fucking trolls and Harris did the same. Were we supposed to reward betrayal? Because that's what it was. What's the point of defeating Trump if you do the same things he did?
@orangelantern Democrats have been fairly explicit that you can eat shit under them or "enjoy the camps" under the other guy.
There is no meaningful alternative.
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@orangelantern Democrats have been fairly explicit that you can eat shit under them or "enjoy the camps" under the other guy.
There is no meaningful alternative.
@orangelantern Trump didn't suddenly become popular. Democrats just cratered. They lost their traditional supporters. That's what happens when you betray people.
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