free open source software needs fewer engineers and more designers and product people
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these toots were inspired by checking out a load of discord "alternatives"
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@TodePond 1000x this
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@TodePond cant tell if joke because i both agree with this sentiment and cant visualize how this plays out in practice. way back, yall did an ep on mary shaw's concept of vernacular developers and the concept really sticks with me. but SWEs have so territorilized the notion of open source development that I (a non/novice-programmer) still has a gut tendency towards 'git or it didnt happen', which im in equal part disgusted by?
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@TodePond cant tell if joke because i both agree with this sentiment and cant visualize how this plays out in practice. way back, yall did an ep on mary shaw's concept of vernacular developers and the concept really sticks with me. but SWEs have so territorilized the notion of open source development that I (a non/novice-programmer) still has a gut tendency towards 'git or it didnt happen', which im in equal part disgusted by?
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"[just] use IRC"
"[just] use a forum"
"[just] self-host by shushing into your prill scropt. it's easy you [just] prantiss a few cuntwobs. what's the big deal? there's no excuse. [just] spin up a brosh instance." -
"[just] use IRC"
"[just] use a forum"
"[just] self-host by shushing into your prill scropt. it's easy you [just] prantiss a few cuntwobs. what's the big deal? there's no excuse. [just] spin up a brosh instance."we gave the tech nerds too much power
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"[just] use IRC"
"[just] use a forum"
"[just] self-host by shushing into your prill scropt. it's easy you [just] prantiss a few cuntwobs. what's the big deal? there's no excuse. [just] spin up a brosh instance."@TodePond the [just] is strong with the foss
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@TodePond Yes, yes, yes!
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@inscript designers are not vernacular programmers. programmers are vernacular designers.
@TodePond true, but i think platforms that foster good 'computing feelings' are ones that might prioritize the former with the positive side-effect of the latter. not a global statement, more of a hunch. 'scrappy' is innovative in the context of programming, commonplace in the context of design. this is less to single out what i think is a very good idea, than to provide an example of how these perhaps not-arbitrary-enough framings make the work of good software and/or a more accessible developer experience more difficult. im riffing here, very little concrete experience in collaborative/distributed software-making (though i wish that wasnt the case).
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@TodePond true, but i think platforms that foster good 'computing feelings' are ones that might prioritize the former with the positive side-effect of the latter. not a global statement, more of a hunch. 'scrappy' is innovative in the context of programming, commonplace in the context of design. this is less to single out what i think is a very good idea, than to provide an example of how these perhaps not-arbitrary-enough framings make the work of good software and/or a more accessible developer experience more difficult. im riffing here, very little concrete experience in collaborative/distributed software-making (though i wish that wasnt the case).
@inscript
- programmers designing things is a *negative* side effect.
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@inscript
- programmers designing things is a *negative* side effect.
- from my experience, "scrappy" is also rare in the design world.@TodePond you could totally be right but one side 'being able' to do the other is what I think excites me about intentionality in computer shit. i dont have enough experience with programmers to want to exclude them from another practice, and i dont think ive ever worked with someonecwho would identify with the term 'designer', I just know 'needing to pick' between one or the other confuses me and makes me less likely to do both.
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@TodePond you could totally be right but one side 'being able' to do the other is what I think excites me about intentionality in computer shit. i dont have enough experience with programmers to want to exclude them from another practice, and i dont think ive ever worked with someonecwho would identify with the term 'designer', I just know 'needing to pick' between one or the other confuses me and makes me less likely to do both.
@inscript the facetious division I'm making is in resistance to the status quo arrogance / view that diminishes creative design and product work while boosting the importance of programming. I'm challenging that narrative by inverting it. that imagined inverted world sounds surprisingly not-so-bad, which calls into question our current priorities
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plenty of foss has a problem of being stuck in a cycle
fossbros want their shit adapted by average joes and yell about year of linux, but it often isn't because plenty of foss is by nerds for nerds, and said average joes are more often than not deemed second class users that shouldn't be cared about because "they have a skill issue"
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@TodePond you could totally be right but one side 'being able' to do the other is what I think excites me about intentionality in computer shit. i dont have enough experience with programmers to want to exclude them from another practice, and i dont think ive ever worked with someonecwho would identify with the term 'designer', I just know 'needing to pick' between one or the other confuses me and makes me less likely to do both.
@inscript you should meet some designers!
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plenty of foss has a problem of being stuck in a cycle
fossbros want their shit adapted by average joes and yell about year of linux, but it often isn't because plenty of foss is by nerds for nerds, and said average joes are more often than not deemed second class users that shouldn't be cared about because "they have a skill issue"
@m000gletje @TodePond I’m literally in the middle of writing a long blog specifically about this, it’s extremely frustrating because ideologically motivated early adopters have the most sway over most OSS projects (including stuff like Mastodon) and they’re frankly just weird. They can’t imagine a person who isn’t actually obsessed with computers like they are
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@m000gletje @TodePond I’m literally in the middle of writing a long blog specifically about this, it’s extremely frustrating because ideologically motivated early adopters have the most sway over most OSS projects (including stuff like Mastodon) and they’re frankly just weird. They can’t imagine a person who isn’t actually obsessed with computers like they are
@m000gletje @TodePond Also applies to stuff like Mastodon where its advocates can’t seem to imagine that other peoples’ desired use of social media doesn’t involve talking solely to Linux users, and consider everyone else to be a “clout chaser”
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@m000gletje @TodePond Also applies to stuff like Mastodon where its advocates can’t seem to imagine that other peoples’ desired use of social media doesn’t involve talking solely to Linux users, and consider everyone else to be a “clout chaser”
@m000gletje @TodePond Personally I think you only solve this issue by finding and beating anyone who ever says “pull requests welcome” in response to feature requests
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@m000gletje @TodePond Also applies to stuff like Mastodon where its advocates can’t seem to imagine that other peoples’ desired use of social media doesn’t involve talking solely to Linux users, and consider everyone else to be a “clout chaser”
i see too many fossbros say we should trade convenience for privacy (which honestly starts turning into a buzzword to fire neurons in people's brains), and i just sit there thinking maybe in such an advanced society aspiring to a stable, peaceful and fulfilling life, we shouldn't trade shit one for another
but try telling them that, they'll call you illiterate and lazy for not wanting to be a sysadmin of your own empire
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@m000gletje @TodePond Personally I think you only solve this issue by finding and beating anyone who ever says “pull requests welcome” in response to feature requests
tbf if said request comes from someone who actually has the capability and skills to contribute themself that's a reasonable thing to say
but of course that's only a minority of cases where that happens
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tbf if said request comes from someone who actually has the capability and skills to contribute themself that's a reasonable thing to say
but of course that's only a minority of cases where that happens
@m000gletje @TodePond Yeah like literally the first bullet point in the thing I’m writing is just “not everyone is or can be a nerd”
