Bullshit.
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@venitamathias People with Tourette's can be racist too, but I'm positive there were other racists in that audience and they didn't shout out the slur. It's theoretically possible that someone with Tourette's would use their disability as cover to intentionally say something like that, but in my view the chances of that are vanishingly low.
@msbellows What is the association with seeing Black men and shouting ni**er? Why that word? Why not Blacks or something else? I have no excuses for the man. None.
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@IveyJanette Thoughts: What kind of company does he keep that this is the language he’s absorbed? Hostility isn’t excusable, despite neurodivergence. If he can’t avoid cruel outbursts, he might not be suitable for public events where his vile outbursts might hurt people.
@wendinoakland @IveyJanette One of my friends’ kids has Tourette’s and some of the other kids at school will say swear words or slurs around him because they know he’ll repeat them and they think it’s funny.
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What bothers me the most is the network's approach of "You can't be upset about this, because . . ." It sounds dismissive of how people feel when they hear a racial slur. There needs to be space for that. Feelings are valid. Experiences are valid.
@kimlockhartga @IveyJanette If that’s their position they are basically playing a zero-sum game between disability/mental illness and race, which is a bunch of hooey.
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@venitamathias People with Tourette's can be racist too, but I'm positive there were other racists in that audience and they didn't shout out the slur. It's theoretically possible that someone with Tourette's would use their disability as cover to intentionally say something like that, but in my view the chances of that are vanishingly low.
Just catching the snippet.. I can’t imagine how difficult life would be for somebody with Tourette’s .
And buy this I mean that their condition brings up the circumstance that makes it extremely difficult for them to navigate the condition versus somebody who has the condition and is a racist pig..
And we live in America we’re getting treatment can be expensive in general for anything
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@wendinoakland @IveyJanette One of my friends’ kids has Tourette’s and some of the other kids at school will say swear words or slurs around him because they know he’ll repeat them and they think it’s funny.
@MisuseCase @IveyJanette Dammit. I’m sorry. People are terrible.
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@kimlockhartga @IveyJanette If that’s their position they are basically playing a zero-sum game between disability/mental illness and race, which is a bunch of hooey.
@MisuseCase @IveyJanette exactly.
It sounds way too much like privilege.
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@msbellows What is the association with seeing Black men and shouting ni**er? Why that word? Why not Blacks or something else? I have no excuses for the man. None.
@venitamathias I understand how you feel, but you're misunderstanding the nature of the disability. A miswired part of his brain actually identifies the most inappropriate thing to say in a given situation, and blurts it out. The words aren't random; medically, it's called coprolalia, which literally means "shit speaking." Wikipedia explains it correctly:
"Coprolalia encompasses the uncontrollable utterance of words and phrases that are culturally taboo or generally unsuitable for acceptable social use.... Involuntary outbursts, such as racial or ethnic slurs in the company of those most offended by such remarks, can be particularly embarrassing. The phrases uttered by a person with coprolalia do not necessarily reflect the thoughts or opinions of the person as they are unconsciously produced."
In other words, a fucked-up part of his brain, over which he has no control, intentionally chose the n-word precisely because it was so offensive.
Yeah, it's a fucked up disability to have.
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@venitamathias I understand how you feel, but you're misunderstanding the nature of the disability. A miswired part of his brain actually identifies the most inappropriate thing to say in a given situation, and blurts it out. The words aren't random; medically, it's called coprolalia, which literally means "shit speaking." Wikipedia explains it correctly:
"Coprolalia encompasses the uncontrollable utterance of words and phrases that are culturally taboo or generally unsuitable for acceptable social use.... Involuntary outbursts, such as racial or ethnic slurs in the company of those most offended by such remarks, can be particularly embarrassing. The phrases uttered by a person with coprolalia do not necessarily reflect the thoughts or opinions of the person as they are unconsciously produced."
In other words, a fucked-up part of his brain, over which he has no control, intentionally chose the n-word precisely because it was so offensive.
Yeah, it's a fucked up disability to have.
@msbellows Did his brain pick and choose who would receive slurs? Why not call women bitches and whor*s? Why not call folks with Jewish names dirty Jews/kikes?, etc.
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@msbellows Did his brain pick and choose who would receive slurs? Why not call women bitches and whor*s? Why not call folks with Jewish names dirty Jews/kikes?, etc.
@venitamathias That is EXACTLY what coprolalia brains do. They call women b*tches, they call Jews k*kes. Coprolalia involves the region of the brain that selects language for emotion; that's why sufferers don't blurt out "apple!" but rather whatever is transgressive.
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Hoo boy. I have a lot of complicated thoughts and feelings around the BAFTA incident, in part because I have Tourette's (though, thank God, not coprolalia) AND am a lawyer/mediator specializing in disability accommodations (in educational settings). In a nutshell, though:
1. Unless he's a secret racist who shouted the n-word intentionally, the utterance itself truly was an involuntary act for which the speaker should not be blamed. Coprolalia isn't random; it makes people say the MOST transgressive thing possible in the context, which is exactly what happened here. It's troubling to me that some people refuse to accept this reality, which is a form of ableism.
2. The harm to Black people hearing that word nevertheless is extremely real, and the organizers completely fucked up both in how they structured the show and in responding to it afterwards. I understand that the speaker is a Tourette's activist, so I'm guessing both he and the organizers wanted some of the obscenities to be heard by the audience because, yeah, sometimes one person's disability is a little awkward for the people around them, and the people around them need to grow the fuck up and learn to accept it. But that doesn't mean that the harm to hearers can be ignored, especially when racist terms, not just obscene ones, are part of the person's known vocabulary. Disability accommodations require creativity and compromise; that doesn't seem to have happened here, other than a statement given to the audience at the start explaining his disability (which: good, but that approach alone fails to account for the substantial difference between ordinary vulgarities and racist obscenities). And the subsequent rationale that "Look, this is just the nature of Tourette's!" as if disability trumps racism is pitifully inadequate, because it ignores the harm to Black viewers. Tourette's sucks. Racism sucks. Don't minimize either one.
3. BBC has absolutely no excuse for not bleeping out the n-word even if they left in the other vulgarities, and for them to refuse to do so – to treat the n word as if it were no different than "fuck" – shows a profound insensitivity and colonialist mindset, and someone needs to get fired – especially because presumably the same person did bleep out "free Palestine!"
@msbellows I'm trying to imagine what it would be like to have a form of Tourettes that includes coprolalia. As you point out, that person knows what would be the most transgressive thing to shout, and they are painfully aware of their condition so they try to control it. I imagine that as an internal pressure that builds and builds and builds until no matter how hard they try, the dam bursts. Must be awful.
That's how I imagine it. Am I anywhere close to what it's like?
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What bothers me the most is the network's approach of "You can't be upset about this, because . . ." It sounds dismissive of how people feel when they hear a racial slur. There needs to be space for that. Feelings are valid. Experiences are valid.
@kimlockhartga They want to minimize and marginalize nonwhites. Period.
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@kimlockhartga @IveyJanette If that’s their position they are basically playing a zero-sum game between disability/mental illness and race, which is a bunch of hooey.
@MisuseCase @kimlockhartga Racism.
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@MisuseCase @IveyJanette exactly.
It sounds way too much like privilege.
@kimlockhartga @MisuseCase White privilege multiplied 1000 times.
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@MisuseCase @IveyJanette Dammit. I’m sorry. People are terrible.
@wendinoakland @MisuseCase It's not funny.
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@venitamathias That is EXACTLY what coprolalia brains do. They call women b*tches, they call Jews k*kes. Coprolalia involves the region of the brain that selects language for emotion; that's why sufferers don't blurt out "apple!" but rather whatever is transgressive.
@msbellows John Davidson chose to use a slur on Black men. Haven't read him using offensive terms towards anyone else that night. He said what he said, and it is neither acceptable or appreciated.
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@venitamathias That is EXACTLY what coprolalia brains do. They call women b*tches, they call Jews k*kes. Coprolalia involves the region of the brain that selects language for emotion; that's why sufferers don't blurt out "apple!" but rather whatever is transgressive.
For folks to ponder what coprolalia might feel. Remember that time that your friend came out as trans, changed their name and pronouns? Recall how, at first, you sometimes had to stop yourself from using their deadname or their previous pronouns - and sometimes you messed up and used them anyway- likely at the worst moment? You knew not to. Knew the harm, but the automatic part of your brain hijacked the moment.
Doesn’t excuse the harm or lessen it. How you respond after matters.
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@wendinoakland @MisuseCase It's not funny.
@IveyJanette @MisuseCase Kids are brutal
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For folks to ponder what coprolalia might feel. Remember that time that your friend came out as trans, changed their name and pronouns? Recall how, at first, you sometimes had to stop yourself from using their deadname or their previous pronouns - and sometimes you messed up and used them anyway- likely at the worst moment? You knew not to. Knew the harm, but the automatic part of your brain hijacked the moment.
Doesn’t excuse the harm or lessen it. How you respond after matters.
@icastico @msbellows
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@msbellows I'm trying to imagine what it would be like to have a form of Tourettes that includes coprolalia. As you point out, that person knows what would be the most transgressive thing to shout, and they are painfully aware of their condition so they try to control it. I imagine that as an internal pressure that builds and builds and builds until no matter how hard they try, the dam bursts. Must be awful.
That's how I imagine it. Am I anywhere close to what it's like?
@rozeboosje My Tourettes doesn't include coprolalia, thank God, but yes, that's exactly how it feels when I suppress my tics. Sometimes I don't even notice that I'm ticcing. When I do notice it, I can suppress it to some extent for a while, but the pressure does build until I just HAVE to tic, and when I finally do it's like a dam bursting and I'll tic severely for a short period. Sometimes I can redirect the impulse by jiggling my leg, and for some reason that takes some of the pressure off, but never permanently.
Just like autistic people with stimming behaviors, it's becoming more common for people to refuse to mask who they are by trying to suppress their behaviors. It's freeing to just be who you are and let other people worry about it. I suspect that was a major factor in what happened at BAFTA: This is a Tourette's activist about whom a film was made, and I'm guessing the producers chose to allow his outbursts to be heard because they want people to understand that for him this is normal and that they're the ones who need to learn to accept it. My criticism is that racist outbursts are different from mere vulgarities, and that neither the activist nor the producers nor BBC seem to have acknowledged the need to accommodate the needs of Black people as well as the disability community.
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@icastico @msbellows
I know what someone calling me a ni**er feels like. Make all the excuses you want. I don't have to accept racist bullshit.Agreed. You don’t and you shouldn’t. I hope I didn’t imply otherwise.
