With all the tiktok drama I have been telling people Mastodon is still here and kicking!!

We Are All Minnesota

@taylorlorenz Black users have consistently reported hostility

fotoFi

@taylorlorenz I love this app. When I tell other people about it they say the image it conjures up is massive, slow and extinct and that's not instantly appealing. You have to get to know this place. The exploration, the finding and discovering is what's so exciting. But it's not a shiny bauble.

Julián

@hfinyow @taylorlorenz at the same time, this isn't a problem with email. Everyone uses email and they're not tripped up by there being dozens of email service providers. The big problem is Mastodon resists commercialization by its nature so there's no giant corpo spending big bucks pushing the "one" canonical version that everyone flocks to

OldForest

@taylorlorenz why does Mastodon needs to be fixed and not people?

C

@taylorlorenz I moved to Mastodon because of the it’s decentralized model, but as a not overly technical person it’s not as easy to use. Some of the other platforms and a lot of friends are coasting on the other corporate platforms because they have their friend networks there.

Skjeggtroll

@taylorlorenz

The first hurdle for a new user is deciding on what server to join, without knowing what that means or how to decide between them.

Second, they have to figure out who to follow and how to curate their feed to the point where it's rewarding, before losing interest.

Third, Mastodon doesn't have communities / groups, which is what a lot of users use especially Facebook for.

Fourth, the tools for discoverability are weak. Sure, there's /explore and hashtags, but not much else.

Stefan Bohacek

@taylorlorenz Also, specifically for TikTok users, we actually do have a federated alternative, not sure if you heard of it, https://joinloops.org?

I wonder if Mastodon's reputation has been too tarnished by all the gatekeeping and scolding. Maybe we could get more people into the fediverse sneakily through another platform?

James M.

@taylorlorenz for people subject to abuse (I'm not), I've seen requests for reply controls and support for shared blocklists.

You may know this, but Loops at @loops is a fediverse alternative to tiktok. It's pretty new but is developing quickly, from what I gather (I haven't used it).

Brandon

@taylorlorenz honestly? The chance of becoming a famous and/or wealthy internet influencer is much lower here. I think that is a big deterrent for people, whether they're willing to admit it or not.

As for what can be done about that? Nothing, really, because I think that's what makes it so appealing to the rest of us.

Bob Tregilus

@taylorlorenz
"What do you think Mastodon’s biggest barriers are to courting new users?"

Their family & friends aren't here. Laziness to try something new. They don't know that the fedi exists.

"What could be done to improve the product and grow the user base in a positive way?"

The product ain't broke so don't brake it. I don't know if it's a positive pitch, but if big tech social media users loath billionaires, then they need to stop empowering them with their presence on their platforms.

Andres

@stefan @taylorlorenz Yeah, I think that's it. People want (among other things) community, and having an entire community move here at once makes a lot more sense than having individuals try to build up a community. That's why, when I tried mastodon in 2019/2020, it never took off for me; but during the twitter implosion of 2022, when a bunch of my twitter-using friends moved here as well, I stuck around. The forkiverse is just the latest example of that.

oheso

@ai6yr @taylorlorenz There's also more than a bit of tone policing and "here's the right way to fediverse" greetings to new visitors. And then there's the way minorities get treated ...

mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm bitPickup

You are reasoning against the constitution of the fediVerse and FOSS @hfinyow itself.

Dictatorship is way easier than a democracy, no elections, no choice, none of the troubles independence comes with ..

@taylorlorenz

CaliCarol

@taylorlorenz

I think the product is just fine. Wonderful, in fact. I'm glad that Taylor Lorenz and Corey Doctorow and George Takai and Lisa Melton etc, etc are the local celebrities on this site. I also think scarcity and "being cool" (in other words, not trying) are the ultimate signifier of where folks should want to be.

It ain't broken.

Let's not fix it.

#Mastodon

Osma A 🇫🇮🇺🇦

There really is a HOA here even if it's not fashionable to mention it. And there is a harassment problem that is made worse by no reply controls and the terrible, terrible misfeature of followers-only replies.
@taylorlorenz

mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm bitPickup

@NickGates
> Black users have consistently reported hostility

Is that still so @futurebird & @IveyJanette or is this a tale that persists because of events in the past?

The most important detail of the fedi is decentralization. Moderation problems increase with the size of instances. Communities protect themselves best by creating their own instances.

@taylorlorenz

qirex

@taylorlorenz I feel like the only way left is to set up huge armadas of influencer bots from the established social networks to draw people in and then delete them all once we've reached a certain threshold of network effect.

Orion Ussner kidder

@taylorlorenz Users of social media have been *deskilled* to the point where they expect a platform to essentially do everything for them: grab an app, put in your name, maybe tap some circles or something, and bang zoom, you get a feed.

The barrier is that Mastodon--and to a lesser extent Bluesky--are slightly less easy. Now, I'd argue that if you take five minutes to choose an instance that matches your tastes, it provides a feed right away, and then you can build your follow list, but...

mʕ•ﻌ•ʔm bitPickup

@ddiluted1

The slower we grow the bigger the chance we don't just morph into a copy of the asocial web out there.

@taylorlorenz

We Are All Minnesota

@bitpickup @futurebird @IveyJanette @taylorlorenz
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Black users still consistently report hostility