I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
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@catsalad @danirabbit
Cats do hate grapefruit...We often let Freya sniff our food to assuage her curiosity, but with grapefruit...
*Freya walks closer to grapefruit*
I say, "Kitty's don't like grapefruit!"
*Freya sniffs at the grapefruit anyhow, then literally recoils and backs away in abject horror.*
@eniko says, "she has good taste", because she, too, hates grapefruit.
@Njord i'm guessing you're the grapefruit enjoyer then? it definitely is an acquired taste (i too like having it occasionally)
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@Njord i'm guessing you're the grapefruit enjoyer then? it definitely is an acquired taste (i too like having it occasionally)
@krishean @catsalad @danirabbit @eniko
They aren't actually my favorite, but they have really good ones here when they're in season
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
It's ok to be mostly vegan. Don't listen to the critics.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit examining the reasons you want to go vegan is also helpful. If it's climate change, keeping cows is very polluting, so eating less beef and dairy is a good step. If it's compassion for animals, look into organic farming. Sustainability? Buy MSC fish. Some of these things are more expensive, so that's also a good motivation to eat less of it
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit "Perfect is the enemy of good"
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit For this specific reason I went vegetarian + fish/sea food.
If I were purely vegetarian going out with my friends would be very difficult here in Bavaria. Thus, when we go out for dinner it is easier for everybody to choose a restaurant.
At home I cook 50% vegan, more than 40% vegetarian. Only sometimes we have some fish or sea food, especially when we have guests.
Groceries are mostly local, organic/sustainable. We don't buy processed food, which is easier because I love cooking and am a good cook too.
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@danirabbit "Perfect is the enemy of good"
@properlypurple @danirabbit I thought evil was the enemy of good though
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit
The way I do it for myself is: you eat 3 meals a day, that's 21 meals a week: how many of those can be vegetarian? -
@properlypurple @danirabbit I thought evil was the enemy of good though
@catsalad@infosec.exchange @danirabbit@mastodon.online @properlypurple@tech.lgbt so, by the transitive property of equality...
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit I think everyone in french reducing meat consumption by 25% as the same impact as every french person stopping taking plane.
Maybe a solution would be for the state to contact burger king, get a license to manufacture their veggie patty (or send a spy to steal the recipe) and put that in every store next to frozen beef patty, for cheaper.
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Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?
Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?
@danirabbit all of these switches are in itself insignificant. All of them together are significant.
It matters. Do it, you're a part of something bigger!
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@danirabbit Elsewhere, a guy was arguing the difference between plant-based vs vegetarian/vegan. You cannot be the latter unless you’re fighting for animal rights!
People love to put their own labels on others. Having a couple of vegetarian meals a week can make an impact on health and environment.
@CStamp
Yes, every step counts.But why are you and many others so keen to label yourself as vegetarian or vegan when you're not?
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@argv_minus_one @danirabbit I don't know! I'm just making a joke!
But if you really want to find out, just post "#syntheticmeat has absolutely zero #ethical issues and is completely fine" here on Mastodon, and some joyless bastard will be around in 5 minutes to tell you you're wrong...
@bencurthoys @argv_minus_one @danirabbit
May I be the joyless bastard and weigh in about synthetic meat? I hope not to crash the party (also, I am several hours late, lol)...
The problem I see with synthetic meat is about the food system we want.
Synthetic meat is an industrial product, requiring global supply chains, large-scale (sterile) facilities and a stratified and complex (and stratified) social and economic structure.
A part from making the life cycle assessment quite complex (because e.g. the quantification of the environmental impact of a production system depends mainly from where you draw the system boundaries, so it is very easy to leave out processes and obtain a nicer picture than in reality), hyper-technological systems are not resilient (remember when during covid there was a global shortage of lab gloves because *all* of them are produced in Malaysia? there are many components in a lab that are not easy to source in a crisis).On another note, it is also a question of organization. A food system based on small-scale, local and sustainable farms is in my eyes much preferable than megacorporations owning the food production chain. I am not sure that lab meat will be easy to grow in our basements like fungi or so...
Also, be aware that a lot of the lab meat bubble was because it seemed so attractive to investors. Technological, scalable solutions that seem even more sustainable than what we have actually. A very welcome investment opportunity and a good narrative for corporations that want to show that they will save the world (remember biofuels from algae?).
Don't get me wrong, I am not fundamentally against industry or technology, it's just that I think that it is a good idea to keep the influence of the corporate-industrial players out of the food system as much as possible.It is correct that lab meat is probably way more ethical than the current system of industrial agriculture with factory farms. But we also easily tend to overestimate the contribution of industrial farming to feed the world, and overlook the millions of smallscale farmers that provide a way greater part of the foodstuff actually consumed by humanity. @viacampesina_en has more information about this.
#Agroecology #LabMeat #SyntheticMeat #AgroecologicalTransition #Diet #SustainableDiet #FoodSystem #WeFeedTheWorld
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@danirabbit
I don't actually hate this but it's just reinventing the idea of vegetarianism.& maybe that does need some rejuvinating & maybe that'll do some good in the world, still it's really not veganism.
I don't think it's cool to benefit from the moral associations of veganism without the hard work (being an animal use abolitionist).
I guess vegetarianism is kinda lame nowadays (now we say plant-based or plant forward or 'vegan'), & part of that is because veganism makes it look obsolete, but you can't just take the name without doing the work.
@Opticacia @danirabbit > I don't think it's cool to benefit from the moral associations of veganism without the hard work
You know, for some people the reason for being vegan (or trying to be more vegan with some exceptions) is because they want to reduce harm, not to get bragging rights for being morally superior.
And this binary thinking of "it's only hard work if you go 100% vegan" is exactly the problem. It's hard work to change your diet and habits, even if you make some exceptions.
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@danirabbit
This!
My parents just follow my national resources guidelines for meat consumption (which by global standards is LOW), as in2-3 meals of meat per day or less than 1 hot dog per person per day type deal. So mlst meals are "humble" but delicious if done well.
No need for the labels, no need for the flame wars. If you feel good from it and can stay happy like that then it's good for everyone on the planet.Meat every day is definitely not "low"
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Meat every day is definitely not "low"
@regordane
I spoke without looking it up myself. It actually translates into: 2 to 3 meals per week (assuming a standard portion size of 120–150g).
It's less than a quarter, to my understanding, than what the actual consumption average is.
@danirabbit -
I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit I went vegan for about a year, saw no difference, except losing weight, but I did switch to oatmilk.
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@danirabbit here in Europe I use an app called UdenUSA which helps identify which products have links to the USA by scanning the barcode. It also suggests alternative products that do not have any links to the USA. Spent 30c more on my toothpaste today too because the app told me the cheaper one was made in PRoChina and I do like to also avoid their stuff when I can. https://udenusa.dk
What is irony?
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What is irony?
@geoffl @danirabbit Very true
I had a little suspicion about it but it seems to work at least the more I looked into it. I don’t use Google and it is optional. -
@geoffl @danirabbit Very true
I had a little suspicion about it but it seems to work at least the more I looked into it. I don’t use Google and it is optional.@kDelta @danirabbit
Yeah, to get it in the app store they have to play the game. Looks useful, I'll try it later.
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