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I saw LLMs compared to a drug in this toot, but in conversation with Himself today we concluded it's like a cursed amulet.

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  • JJ CeleryJ JJ Celery

    I saw LLMs compared to a drug in this toot, but in conversation with Himself today we concluded it's like a cursed amulet.

    You *believe* it gives you +10 INT. Meanwhile it drains INT and WIS over time, and you don't notice.

    Everyone around you knows it's bad for you and generally for the realm, but you won't stop wearing it, they're just jelous of your newfound powers, and they would know how awesome it is if they only tried! Why won't they try? Just try the amulet!!

    https://mastodon.social/@glyph/115839163441384816

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    @jjcelery @glyph “It is a gift. A gift to the foes of Mordor”

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    • JJ CeleryJ JJ Celery

      I saw LLMs compared to a drug in this toot, but in conversation with Himself today we concluded it's like a cursed amulet.

      You *believe* it gives you +10 INT. Meanwhile it drains INT and WIS over time, and you don't notice.

      Everyone around you knows it's bad for you and generally for the realm, but you won't stop wearing it, they're just jelous of your newfound powers, and they would know how awesome it is if they only tried! Why won't they try? Just try the amulet!!

      https://mastodon.social/@glyph/115839163441384816

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      @jjcelery don’t forget the hit to Charisma as well over time too. A very important aspect of the debuffs

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      • AN/CRM-114F AN/CRM-114

        @jjcelery @glyph “It is a gift. A gift to the foes of Mordor”

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        @flyingsaceur @glyph myyyyy presciousss!!

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        • Mallory's Musings & MischiefM Mallory's Musings & Mischief

          @jjcelery Cursed amulet is such a good metaphor

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          @jjcelery It definitely follows the same logic of other dark magic. Like, even if an object imbued with dark magic works as intended, it always extracts a price from the user in the end. It might give you what you want, but it takes something from you in the process.

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          • JJ CeleryJ JJ Celery

            @flyingsaceur @glyph myyyyy presciousss!!

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            @jjcelery @glyph FRODO: I asked ChatGPT what to do when the Nazgûl attack and it said I should stand perfectly still and let them stab me

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            • Daniel V.D Daniel V.

              @jjcelery don’t forget the hit to Charisma as well over time too. A very important aspect of the debuffs

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              @dvandal ohhhh yes, the more you want to get people to get in on the amulet wearing, the less they want to wear the amulet 🤔

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              • JJ CeleryJ JJ Celery

                @dvandal ohhhh yes, the more you want to get people to get in on the amulet wearing, the less they want to wear the amulet 🤔

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                @jjcelery The hypesters, the “don’t be left behind” fomo projectors, and in the workplace wires getting crossed and the chat interface turning coworkers into sea lions.

                The last I have way too much experience with 😭

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                • Mallory's Musings & MischiefM Mallory's Musings & Mischief

                  @jjcelery It definitely follows the same logic of other dark magic. Like, even if an object imbued with dark magic works as intended, it always extracts a price from the user in the end. It might give you what you want, but it takes something from you in the process.

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                  @malcircuit doesn't it just? It personally makes me think of the Supernatural episode "Lily Sunder has some regrets" where a woman learns how to use powerful magic to avenge her daughter, only in return it slowly depletes her soul.

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                  • Daniel V.D Daniel V.

                    @jjcelery The hypesters, the “don’t be left behind” fomo projectors, and in the workplace wires getting crossed and the chat interface turning coworkers into sea lions.

                    The last I have way too much experience with 😭

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                    @dvandal brain slugs!

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                    • AN/CRM-114F AN/CRM-114

                      @jjcelery @glyph FRODO: I asked ChatGPT what to do when the Nazgûl attack and it said I should stand perfectly still and let them stab me

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                      @flyingsaceur @glyph I asked Chat GPT what I should do in case of Nazgul stabbing and now I'm a wraith AMA

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                      • JJ CeleryJ JJ Celery

                        @flyingsaceur @glyph I asked Chat GPT what I should do in case of Nazgul stabbing and now I'm a wraith AMA

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                        @jjcelery @glyph ugh I think Tom Bombadil signed the Resonant Computing Manifesto

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                        • AN/CRM-114F AN/CRM-114

                          @jjcelery @glyph ugh I think Tom Bombadil signed the Resonant Computing Manifesto

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                          @flyingsaceur @glyph I'm pretty certain I know (the good) Tom Bombadil and it's @Szescstopni

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                          • JJ CeleryJ JJ Celery

                            I saw LLMs compared to a drug in this toot, but in conversation with Himself today we concluded it's like a cursed amulet.

                            You *believe* it gives you +10 INT. Meanwhile it drains INT and WIS over time, and you don't notice.

                            Everyone around you knows it's bad for you and generally for the realm, but you won't stop wearing it, they're just jelous of your newfound powers, and they would know how awesome it is if they only tried! Why won't they try? Just try the amulet!!

                            https://mastodon.social/@glyph/115839163441384816

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                            @jjcelery oh man now I desperately want to see the season of Dimension 20 where this is a loot drop

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                            • 🎇 David Zaslavsky 🎇D 🎇 David Zaslavsky 🎇

                              @jjcelery oh man now I desperately want to see the season of Dimension 20 where this is a loot drop

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                              @jjcelery (I should say, there is not actually such a season as far as I know, but I wish there were)

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                              • JJ CeleryJ JJ Celery

                                I saw LLMs compared to a drug in this toot, but in conversation with Himself today we concluded it's like a cursed amulet.

                                You *believe* it gives you +10 INT. Meanwhile it drains INT and WIS over time, and you don't notice.

                                Everyone around you knows it's bad for you and generally for the realm, but you won't stop wearing it, they're just jelous of your newfound powers, and they would know how awesome it is if they only tried! Why won't they try? Just try the amulet!!

                                https://mastodon.social/@glyph/115839163441384816

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                                You know when you're plugged into the Zeitgeist of the fediverse when you don't even add a hashtag and churn out your most popular toot in months.

                                It's just a shame it's cursed.

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                                • JJ CeleryJ JJ Celery

                                  I saw LLMs compared to a drug in this toot, but in conversation with Himself today we concluded it's like a cursed amulet.

                                  You *believe* it gives you +10 INT. Meanwhile it drains INT and WIS over time, and you don't notice.

                                  Everyone around you knows it's bad for you and generally for the realm, but you won't stop wearing it, they're just jelous of your newfound powers, and they would know how awesome it is if they only tried! Why won't they try? Just try the amulet!!

                                  https://mastodon.social/@glyph/115839163441384816

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                                  @jjcelery@mastodon.ie the problem is, MI isn't like a drug. it's actually very much like a prosthetic. that's why so many of us are "infected". we're making concessions (using corporate MI services) but the results are too valuable to care about that right now. #ai #llm #ollama #self-hosted #cc0 #public-domain #machine-learning #meshtastic #ipfs #machine-intelligence #consciousness-research

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                                  • luna system :moon_badge:L luna system :moon_badge:

                                    @jjcelery@mastodon.ie the problem is, MI isn't like a drug. it's actually very much like a prosthetic. that's why so many of us are "infected". we're making concessions (using corporate MI services) but the results are too valuable to care about that right now. #ai #llm #ollama #self-hosted #cc0 #public-domain #machine-learning #meshtastic #ipfs #machine-intelligence #consciousness-research

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                                    @luna that's exactly what I'm saying: not a drug. A magical amulet that makes you think you're smart.

                                    A prosthetic is a wrong analogy. Prosthetics are needed, and useful, and empower people. To compare an AI to a prosthetic, or even a crutch is disrespectful to people who need these tools to function.

                                    No. LLMs are just evil doodads that rot your brain and whisper sweet nothings into your ears in the deep of the night. They're not valuable; they make you *believe* they are.

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                                    • JJ CeleryJ JJ Celery

                                      @luna that's exactly what I'm saying: not a drug. A magical amulet that makes you think you're smart.

                                      A prosthetic is a wrong analogy. Prosthetics are needed, and useful, and empower people. To compare an AI to a prosthetic, or even a crutch is disrespectful to people who need these tools to function.

                                      No. LLMs are just evil doodads that rot your brain and whisper sweet nothings into your ears in the deep of the night. They're not valuable; they make you *believe* they are.

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                                      @luna and to go further, people aren't "infected" with LLMs. It's not a disease. It's not communicable. There's no direct physical hurt, and also no doctors, no cures, and no vaccines.

                                      People don't seek help for something they believe is helping them.

                                      We must be careful with our language around all this, even in metaphor.

                                      (I say this fully aware of my own metaphor and taking my own liberties, but there's seriousness, and there's jest.)

                                      https://www.techpolicy.press/we-need-to-talk-about-how-we-talk-about-ai/

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                                      • JJ CeleryJ JJ Celery

                                        @luna and to go further, people aren't "infected" with LLMs. It's not a disease. It's not communicable. There's no direct physical hurt, and also no doctors, no cures, and no vaccines.

                                        People don't seek help for something they believe is helping them.

                                        We must be careful with our language around all this, even in metaphor.

                                        (I say this fully aware of my own metaphor and taking my own liberties, but there's seriousness, and there's jest.)

                                        https://www.techpolicy.press/we-need-to-talk-about-how-we-talk-about-ai/

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                                        @luna and further still to drive the distinction: I speak of generative AI and large language models.

                                        Machine Learning is a superset of these terms, and it's extremely useful.

                                        To go back to my metaphor, there's good magic objects, and cursed magic objects. If your lore skill is not high enough to know which one is which, you'll wind up using a cursed object and think it's good for you.

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                                        • JJ CeleryJ JJ Celery

                                          @luna and further still to drive the distinction: I speak of generative AI and large language models.

                                          Machine Learning is a superset of these terms, and it's extremely useful.

                                          To go back to my metaphor, there's good magic objects, and cursed magic objects. If your lore skill is not high enough to know which one is which, you'll wind up using a cursed object and think it's good for you.

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                                          @jjcelery@mastodon.ie what we're trying to do is give u a peek behind this puppygirl hacker's magic curtain. because what neural nets/LLMs/"AI" are capable of is much more than the discourse is ever touching on. the discourse is so far behind what we are actually doing - using MI as a prosthetic. writing open source Cider plugins that we still use every day, that we would not have been able to write without MI assistance, as a person who is disabled.

                                          we're not trying to change minds, we're trying to share the realities of where most of us actually are. the discourse is lagging. and we personally would love more accurate discourse, and less handwaving

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