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Europe often sees Ukraine only as a victim.

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  • LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴L LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴

    Europe often sees Ukraine only as a victim. That is a dangerous oversimplification.

    Ukraine is a major military power in its own right. For the last two centuries, most so-called russian victories depended heavily on Ukraine.

    Against Napoleon Bonaparte, the Russian Empire relied on Ukrainian manpower, food supplies, horses, and Cossack cavalry. Against Adolf Hitler, millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army, while Ukrainian industry, agriculture, and territory were decisive for Soviet victory.

    The same pattern appeared in darker chapters of European history. The partition of Poland, the Warsaw Pact’s military threat, the war against Finland, and even the war in Afghanistan were all enabled by imperial armies that included massive Ukrainian participation.

    In the USSR, the most advanced intercontinental ballistic missiles were designed and manufactured in Ukraine and serviced by Ukrainians until 2014. Ukrainians made up roughly 40% of Soviet army officers in the 1980s. The world’s largest cargo aircraft was built in Ukraine. russia wants all of this back — and without Ukraine, its missiles now explode on roughly every second launch.

    Ukraine also possesses around 30% of the world’s black soil, the most fertile agricultural land on Earth — an enormous source of strategic leverage. In addition, Ukraine holds major mineral resources, including uranium, ranking among the top ten countries globally by uranium reserves.

    History shows a simple rule: russia looks strongest when it controls Ukraine.

    If russia absorbs Ukraine today, Europe will not face a tired or weakened aggressor. It will face the strongest and most experienced army on the continent — reinforced by Ukrainian manpower, battlefield experience, and industrial capacity.

    “Without Ukraine, russia ceases to be an empire. With Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, russia automatically becomes an empire.” — Zbigniew Brzezinski

    Ukraine can become the backbone of Europe’s defense against russia. Or, if left unsupported, it can be forcibly absorbed — and then brought to Europe’s doorstep.

    Supporting Ukraine is not charity. It is strategic self-defense.

    Author: Volodymyr Kukharenko

    #ukraine #russia #nafo

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    @littlealex This is 100% accurate. Ukraine was to the Soviet Union a techlogy & innovation hub, too.

    Not to even mention that what is called ”Russian” culture most often is just appropriated Ukrainian culture.

    As it looks like USA is on it’s way to leave NATO, the way forward is not so much for Ukraine to join NATO, but for NATO to join Ukraine..

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    • LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴L LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴

      Europe often sees Ukraine only as a victim. That is a dangerous oversimplification.

      Ukraine is a major military power in its own right. For the last two centuries, most so-called russian victories depended heavily on Ukraine.

      Against Napoleon Bonaparte, the Russian Empire relied on Ukrainian manpower, food supplies, horses, and Cossack cavalry. Against Adolf Hitler, millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army, while Ukrainian industry, agriculture, and territory were decisive for Soviet victory.

      The same pattern appeared in darker chapters of European history. The partition of Poland, the Warsaw Pact’s military threat, the war against Finland, and even the war in Afghanistan were all enabled by imperial armies that included massive Ukrainian participation.

      In the USSR, the most advanced intercontinental ballistic missiles were designed and manufactured in Ukraine and serviced by Ukrainians until 2014. Ukrainians made up roughly 40% of Soviet army officers in the 1980s. The world’s largest cargo aircraft was built in Ukraine. russia wants all of this back — and without Ukraine, its missiles now explode on roughly every second launch.

      Ukraine also possesses around 30% of the world’s black soil, the most fertile agricultural land on Earth — an enormous source of strategic leverage. In addition, Ukraine holds major mineral resources, including uranium, ranking among the top ten countries globally by uranium reserves.

      History shows a simple rule: russia looks strongest when it controls Ukraine.

      If russia absorbs Ukraine today, Europe will not face a tired or weakened aggressor. It will face the strongest and most experienced army on the continent — reinforced by Ukrainian manpower, battlefield experience, and industrial capacity.

      “Without Ukraine, russia ceases to be an empire. With Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, russia automatically becomes an empire.” — Zbigniew Brzezinski

      Ukraine can become the backbone of Europe’s defense against russia. Or, if left unsupported, it can be forcibly absorbed — and then brought to Europe’s doorstep.

      Supporting Ukraine is not charity. It is strategic self-defense.

      Author: Volodymyr Kukharenko

      #ukraine #russia #nafo

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      @littlealex All the propaganda bots are coming together under this post.

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      • Toni AittoniemiG Toni Aittoniemi

        @littlealex This is 100% accurate. Ukraine was to the Soviet Union a techlogy & innovation hub, too.

        Not to even mention that what is called ”Russian” culture most often is just appropriated Ukrainian culture.

        As it looks like USA is on it’s way to leave NATO, the way forward is not so much for Ukraine to join NATO, but for NATO to join Ukraine..

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        @gimulnautti @littlealex какие варварские идеи. познания в истории нулевые. почитайте Курс теоретической физики Ландау и Лифшица

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        • LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴L LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴

          Europe often sees Ukraine only as a victim. That is a dangerous oversimplification.

          Ukraine is a major military power in its own right. For the last two centuries, most so-called russian victories depended heavily on Ukraine.

          Against Napoleon Bonaparte, the Russian Empire relied on Ukrainian manpower, food supplies, horses, and Cossack cavalry. Against Adolf Hitler, millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army, while Ukrainian industry, agriculture, and territory were decisive for Soviet victory.

          The same pattern appeared in darker chapters of European history. The partition of Poland, the Warsaw Pact’s military threat, the war against Finland, and even the war in Afghanistan were all enabled by imperial armies that included massive Ukrainian participation.

          In the USSR, the most advanced intercontinental ballistic missiles were designed and manufactured in Ukraine and serviced by Ukrainians until 2014. Ukrainians made up roughly 40% of Soviet army officers in the 1980s. The world’s largest cargo aircraft was built in Ukraine. russia wants all of this back — and without Ukraine, its missiles now explode on roughly every second launch.

          Ukraine also possesses around 30% of the world’s black soil, the most fertile agricultural land on Earth — an enormous source of strategic leverage. In addition, Ukraine holds major mineral resources, including uranium, ranking among the top ten countries globally by uranium reserves.

          History shows a simple rule: russia looks strongest when it controls Ukraine.

          If russia absorbs Ukraine today, Europe will not face a tired or weakened aggressor. It will face the strongest and most experienced army on the continent — reinforced by Ukrainian manpower, battlefield experience, and industrial capacity.

          “Without Ukraine, russia ceases to be an empire. With Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, russia automatically becomes an empire.” — Zbigniew Brzezinski

          Ukraine can become the backbone of Europe’s defense against russia. Or, if left unsupported, it can be forcibly absorbed — and then brought to Europe’s doorstep.

          Supporting Ukraine is not charity. It is strategic self-defense.

          Author: Volodymyr Kukharenko

          #ukraine #russia #nafo

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          @littlealex Lets hope europe will do more.

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          • LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴L LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴

            Europe often sees Ukraine only as a victim. That is a dangerous oversimplification.

            Ukraine is a major military power in its own right. For the last two centuries, most so-called russian victories depended heavily on Ukraine.

            Against Napoleon Bonaparte, the Russian Empire relied on Ukrainian manpower, food supplies, horses, and Cossack cavalry. Against Adolf Hitler, millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army, while Ukrainian industry, agriculture, and territory were decisive for Soviet victory.

            The same pattern appeared in darker chapters of European history. The partition of Poland, the Warsaw Pact’s military threat, the war against Finland, and even the war in Afghanistan were all enabled by imperial armies that included massive Ukrainian participation.

            In the USSR, the most advanced intercontinental ballistic missiles were designed and manufactured in Ukraine and serviced by Ukrainians until 2014. Ukrainians made up roughly 40% of Soviet army officers in the 1980s. The world’s largest cargo aircraft was built in Ukraine. russia wants all of this back — and without Ukraine, its missiles now explode on roughly every second launch.

            Ukraine also possesses around 30% of the world’s black soil, the most fertile agricultural land on Earth — an enormous source of strategic leverage. In addition, Ukraine holds major mineral resources, including uranium, ranking among the top ten countries globally by uranium reserves.

            History shows a simple rule: russia looks strongest when it controls Ukraine.

            If russia absorbs Ukraine today, Europe will not face a tired or weakened aggressor. It will face the strongest and most experienced army on the continent — reinforced by Ukrainian manpower, battlefield experience, and industrial capacity.

            “Without Ukraine, russia ceases to be an empire. With Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, russia automatically becomes an empire.” — Zbigniew Brzezinski

            Ukraine can become the backbone of Europe’s defense against russia. Or, if left unsupported, it can be forcibly absorbed — and then brought to Europe’s doorstep.

            Supporting Ukraine is not charity. It is strategic self-defense.

            Author: Volodymyr Kukharenko

            #ukraine #russia #nafo

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            @littlealex
            It is so "major" that it had to give up nuclear weapons from its territory, in exchange for other country defense guarantees, which the other countries then didn't stick to when Russia took Crimea in 2014.

            Yes. Ukraine is large, and has resources, I'm just not feeling the "major military power." (Then again, neither is Russia major anymore...)

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            • LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴L LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴

              Europe often sees Ukraine only as a victim. That is a dangerous oversimplification.

              Ukraine is a major military power in its own right. For the last two centuries, most so-called russian victories depended heavily on Ukraine.

              Against Napoleon Bonaparte, the Russian Empire relied on Ukrainian manpower, food supplies, horses, and Cossack cavalry. Against Adolf Hitler, millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army, while Ukrainian industry, agriculture, and territory were decisive for Soviet victory.

              The same pattern appeared in darker chapters of European history. The partition of Poland, the Warsaw Pact’s military threat, the war against Finland, and even the war in Afghanistan were all enabled by imperial armies that included massive Ukrainian participation.

              In the USSR, the most advanced intercontinental ballistic missiles were designed and manufactured in Ukraine and serviced by Ukrainians until 2014. Ukrainians made up roughly 40% of Soviet army officers in the 1980s. The world’s largest cargo aircraft was built in Ukraine. russia wants all of this back — and without Ukraine, its missiles now explode on roughly every second launch.

              Ukraine also possesses around 30% of the world’s black soil, the most fertile agricultural land on Earth — an enormous source of strategic leverage. In addition, Ukraine holds major mineral resources, including uranium, ranking among the top ten countries globally by uranium reserves.

              History shows a simple rule: russia looks strongest when it controls Ukraine.

              If russia absorbs Ukraine today, Europe will not face a tired or weakened aggressor. It will face the strongest and most experienced army on the continent — reinforced by Ukrainian manpower, battlefield experience, and industrial capacity.

              “Without Ukraine, russia ceases to be an empire. With Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, russia automatically becomes an empire.” — Zbigniew Brzezinski

              Ukraine can become the backbone of Europe’s defense against russia. Or, if left unsupported, it can be forcibly absorbed — and then brought to Europe’s doorstep.

              Supporting Ukraine is not charity. It is strategic self-defense.

              Author: Volodymyr Kukharenko

              #ukraine #russia #nafo

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              @littlealex you also forget that Ukraine Was the Techical engine of many weapon creation when they where in the USSR

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              • LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺L LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺

                @littlealex you also forget that Ukraine Was the Techical engine of many weapon creation when they where in the USSR

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                @lexinova @littlealex And we'll ignore the Einsatzgruppen collaboration but that's not entirely on point.

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                • LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴L LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴

                  Europe often sees Ukraine only as a victim. That is a dangerous oversimplification.

                  Ukraine is a major military power in its own right. For the last two centuries, most so-called russian victories depended heavily on Ukraine.

                  Against Napoleon Bonaparte, the Russian Empire relied on Ukrainian manpower, food supplies, horses, and Cossack cavalry. Against Adolf Hitler, millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army, while Ukrainian industry, agriculture, and territory were decisive for Soviet victory.

                  The same pattern appeared in darker chapters of European history. The partition of Poland, the Warsaw Pact’s military threat, the war against Finland, and even the war in Afghanistan were all enabled by imperial armies that included massive Ukrainian participation.

                  In the USSR, the most advanced intercontinental ballistic missiles were designed and manufactured in Ukraine and serviced by Ukrainians until 2014. Ukrainians made up roughly 40% of Soviet army officers in the 1980s. The world’s largest cargo aircraft was built in Ukraine. russia wants all of this back — and without Ukraine, its missiles now explode on roughly every second launch.

                  Ukraine also possesses around 30% of the world’s black soil, the most fertile agricultural land on Earth — an enormous source of strategic leverage. In addition, Ukraine holds major mineral resources, including uranium, ranking among the top ten countries globally by uranium reserves.

                  History shows a simple rule: russia looks strongest when it controls Ukraine.

                  If russia absorbs Ukraine today, Europe will not face a tired or weakened aggressor. It will face the strongest and most experienced army on the continent — reinforced by Ukrainian manpower, battlefield experience, and industrial capacity.

                  “Without Ukraine, russia ceases to be an empire. With Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, russia automatically becomes an empire.” — Zbigniew Brzezinski

                  Ukraine can become the backbone of Europe’s defense against russia. Or, if left unsupported, it can be forcibly absorbed — and then brought to Europe’s doorstep.

                  Supporting Ukraine is not charity. It is strategic self-defense.

                  Author: Volodymyr Kukharenko

                  #ukraine #russia #nafo

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                  @littlealex Europe needs Ukraine at least as much as Ukraine needs Europe. The US is a threat to both.

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                  • iegoshuaI iegoshua

                    @littlealex нато фашисты не пройдут!

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                    @iegoshua Calm down, that's not important right now. You should take care of your outhouse, it's frozen again.

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                    • LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴L LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴

                      @iegoshua Calm down, that's not important right now. You should take care of your outhouse, it's frozen again.

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                      @littlealex однозначный ум. неумелый. (шаблоны)

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                      • LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴L LittleAlex 🇺🇦🇮🇱🇩🇪🇳🇴

                        Europe often sees Ukraine only as a victim. That is a dangerous oversimplification.

                        Ukraine is a major military power in its own right. For the last two centuries, most so-called russian victories depended heavily on Ukraine.

                        Against Napoleon Bonaparte, the Russian Empire relied on Ukrainian manpower, food supplies, horses, and Cossack cavalry. Against Adolf Hitler, millions of Ukrainians fought in the Red Army, while Ukrainian industry, agriculture, and territory were decisive for Soviet victory.

                        The same pattern appeared in darker chapters of European history. The partition of Poland, the Warsaw Pact’s military threat, the war against Finland, and even the war in Afghanistan were all enabled by imperial armies that included massive Ukrainian participation.

                        In the USSR, the most advanced intercontinental ballistic missiles were designed and manufactured in Ukraine and serviced by Ukrainians until 2014. Ukrainians made up roughly 40% of Soviet army officers in the 1980s. The world’s largest cargo aircraft was built in Ukraine. russia wants all of this back — and without Ukraine, its missiles now explode on roughly every second launch.

                        Ukraine also possesses around 30% of the world’s black soil, the most fertile agricultural land on Earth — an enormous source of strategic leverage. In addition, Ukraine holds major mineral resources, including uranium, ranking among the top ten countries globally by uranium reserves.

                        History shows a simple rule: russia looks strongest when it controls Ukraine.

                        If russia absorbs Ukraine today, Europe will not face a tired or weakened aggressor. It will face the strongest and most experienced army on the continent — reinforced by Ukrainian manpower, battlefield experience, and industrial capacity.

                        “Without Ukraine, russia ceases to be an empire. With Ukraine suborned and then subordinated, russia automatically becomes an empire.” — Zbigniew Brzezinski

                        Ukraine can become the backbone of Europe’s defense against russia. Or, if left unsupported, it can be forcibly absorbed — and then brought to Europe’s doorstep.

                        Supporting Ukraine is not charity. It is strategic self-defense.

                        Author: Volodymyr Kukharenko

                        #ukraine #russia #nafo

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                        @littlealex also worth reading up on Nestor Makhno who was heavily involved in the 1920s in Ukraine, and the Russians shot this movement down (but only after they fought a lot and won a lot against the Austrian-Hungarians)... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nestor_Makhno (I also recommend the biographies, which are also translated into English)

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