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Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

    No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

    But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

    Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

    So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

    Lazarou Monkey Terror πŸš€πŸ’™πŸŒˆL This user is from outside of this forum
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    Lazarou Monkey Terror πŸš€πŸ’™πŸŒˆ
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    #54

    @cstross I remember when he claimed his rocket would be on Mars by 2025 and everyone who doesn't know about Space believed him because he's nothing more than a huckster, selling Science Fiction as fact and Journalism not bothering to look beyond the hype.

    This man, who was SO keen to visit the Paedo Island....

    #ElonMusk #Space #SpaceX #Hustlers #Grifters #ClanOfPaedophiles

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

      No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

      But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

      Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

      So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

      bellegraylaneB This user is from outside of this forum
      bellegraylaneB This user is from outside of this forum
      bellegraylane
      wrote last edited by
      #55

      @cstross yup. Tesla is dead, X is basically dead. He needs to create more hype, so here comes the physics breaking con to take more investors money.

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      • Brian GordonE Brian Gordon

        @NMBA @cstross

        Tell me he did not say this. It's like Elon's playing a game to see what he can get away with. Like a child might when testing boundaries. Oh wait, narcissists actually have the emotional maturity of a child...

        "SpaceX will start launching Starships to Mars in 2026, Elon Musk says"

        #narcissism #musk #spacex

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        Lazarou Monkey Terror πŸš€πŸ’™πŸŒˆ
        wrote last edited by
        #56

        @elasticsoul @NMBA @cstross actually he said it was 2025. He's late....

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        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

          Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

          No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

          But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

          Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

          So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

          Scale TheoryS This user is from outside of this forum
          Scale TheoryS This user is from outside of this forum
          Scale Theory
          wrote last edited by
          #57

          @cstross

          "laws of physics say "nope""
          But there is a way, figured it out. If "elon" wants the secret then it will cost him the trillion the "board of directors" (doge) .. paid him. 300,000,000 would get a tax refund of $3,333.33

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          • Kristian ThyK Kristian Thy

            @clintruin @mkoek @cstross here's one of my favourite Wikipedia pages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_predictions_for_autonomous_Tesla_vehicles_by_Elon_Musk

            Mark KoekM This user is from outside of this forum
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            Mark Koek
            wrote last edited by
            #58

            @kthy @clintruin @cstross but what does Grokipedia have to say on the subject? Not going to check, but I strongly suspect not much. πŸ™‚

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

              No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

              But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

              Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

              So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

              Woozle HypertwinW This user is from outside of this forum
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              Woozle Hypertwin
              wrote last edited by
              #59

              @cstross I'd be interested in finding out if Scott Manley got anything wrong here.

              His take, as I understand it, is basically (1) the physics makes it complicated but not non-doable, and (2) can't be profitable now but may well be so within the foreseeable future -- making it likely that whoever gets there first, even before it's profitable, stands to make the usual absurd amounts of money (especially if orbital access is never properly regulated) once it does become cheap enough for it to be profitable.

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              • LucienL Lucien

                @cstross Starlink might be the only thing one of his companies got right. I've been using one for a while now and it's a game changer when living somewhere remote. I wish we had a suitable EU competitor and not have to contribute to this man's lunacy...

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                OldGeek
                wrote last edited by
                #60

                @lucien @cstross Nope its still BS. It would have been cheaper to put all that money into running more fiber. Especially the last mile in rural areas. But that is not as sexy as Starlink.

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

                  No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

                  But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

                  Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

                  So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

                  mausmaloneM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mausmaloneM This user is from outside of this forum
                  mausmalone
                  wrote last edited by
                  #61

                  @cstross Elon Musk wants datacenters in space because he read Neuromancer once in high school and didn't understand any of it.

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                  • bellegraylaneB bellegraylane

                    @cstross yup. Tesla is dead, X is basically dead. He needs to create more hype, so here comes the physics breaking con to take more investors money.

                    BornachB This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Bornach
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                    #62

                    @bellegraylane @cstross
                    Musk merged Xitter with xAI to justify its high valuation to investors as an AI company now.
                    The same crap with Tesla being rebranded an AI robotaxi and humanoid robot company.

                    So makes sense to pull the same trick with SpaceX to gullible investors. That it's really an AI company so that SpaceX can afford to bail out Tesla when it buys all those unsold Cybertrucks.

                    Won't be surprised when Neuralink is touted as an AI company next

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

                      No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

                      But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

                      Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

                      So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

                      Oberon OhanaO This user is from outside of this forum
                      Oberon OhanaO This user is from outside of this forum
                      Oberon Ohana
                      wrote last edited by
                      #63

                      @cstross
                      I've been thinking about that. I ran across this today, and thought Musk might be able to work it in to his pitch:

                      http://www.weidai.com/black-holes.txt

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                      • Fazal MajidF Fazal Majid

                        @cstross won't Kessler Syndrome make space launch dead as a business long before that?

                        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                        Charlie Stross
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                        #64

                        @fazalmajid No, because the density of particles in orbit falls off as the inverse cube of their altitudeβ€”the volume of space around Earth is vast, and the probability of an impact is a function of the particle density at any given altitude and how long your payload spends there on the way up. Starship could plausibly deliver comsat constellations to altitudes much higher than the overcrowded 200km orbits Starlink is crammed into, where impact probability is far lower.

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                        • OldGeekO OldGeek

                          @lucien @cstross Nope its still BS. It would have been cheaper to put all that money into running more fiber. Especially the last mile in rural areas. But that is not as sexy as Starlink.

                          BornachB This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Bornach
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                          #65

                          @oldgeek @lucien @cstross
                          At 1:14:17 in the latest rant by @TechConnectify
                          https://youtu.be/KtQ9nt2ZeGM?t=1h14m17s

                          Imagine if government never built power lines to rural areas. They'd probably be singing praises to orbiting space lasers beaming them energy at huge expense or the delivery robot drones dropping off daily fuel shipments for their generators.

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                          • LucienL Lucien

                            @cstross Starlink might be the only thing one of his companies got right. I've been using one for a while now and it's a game changer when living somewhere remote. I wish we had a suitable EU competitor and not have to contribute to this man's lunacy...

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                            Donald Ball
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                            #66

                            @lucien @cstross If you ignore all the externalities and more practical and durable access options, sure.

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                            • Gracchus Babeuf BourguignonD Gracchus Babeuf Bourguignon

                              @cstross isn't Starship becoming less and less useful as they keep 'iterating' it's development?

                              That giant cargo capacity keeps on dropping.

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                              Charlie Stross
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                              #67

                              @dgold Starship's first stage works fine (and has even re-flown), engines work fine (ditto). The problem is the upper stage design and the push for full reusability. If they throw away the stupid heat shield and make it a one-shot they could settle for a cheap disposable upper stage with monstrous payload capacity, and they could build it *right now*.

                              Once they had a 200 tonne payload HLV flying reliably, resuming incremental progress towards reusability would be uncontroversial.

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                              • George BG George B

                                @cstross @tony

                                Don't know about you but I have not stopped talking about him begging to go to pedo Island (and it seems being rejected the majority of the time)

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                                polypunk
                                wrote last edited by
                                #68

                                @gbargoud
                                The hell, I toolk this as a plot element in @bitterkarella 's latest gag?
                                Argh. I'm gonna hide under a rock...
                                @cstross @tony

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                                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                  Because a LOT of people are missing the point:

                                  No, Elon Musk is NOT serious about putting a million data centres into orbit. It can't work: laws of physics say "nope".

                                  But SpaceX is expected to go public this year.

                                  Elon is talking up his company's future prospects in front of gullible investors because he needs a growth narrative beyond Starlink, which is already priced in. Something to justify the Starship proram beyond NASA's lunar ambitions.

                                  So it's salesman's bullshit, lies for fools.

                                  RejZoRR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  RejZoR
                                  wrote last edited by
                                  #69

                                  @cstross Elon keeps talking the dumbest shit every time he opens his mouth and everyone just starts throwing money at him without any thinking. Like, anyone remembers stupid Hyperloop? I kept saying that shit cannot ever work from day one and every time I was told he's the genius and I'm the idiot. Well, where's the fucking Hyperloop in every city?

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                                  • OldGeekO OldGeek

                                    @lucien @cstross Nope its still BS. It would have been cheaper to put all that money into running more fiber. Especially the last mile in rural areas. But that is not as sexy as Starlink.

                                    Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Charlie Stross
                                    wrote last edited by
                                    #70

                                    @oldgeek @lucien Tell me again how running more fibre is going to help internet bandwidth aboard ships at sea or airliners in the sky? (Please do, I'll wait.)

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                                    • BornachB Bornach

                                      @bellegraylane @cstross
                                      Musk merged Xitter with xAI to justify its high valuation to investors as an AI company now.
                                      The same crap with Tesla being rebranded an AI robotaxi and humanoid robot company.

                                      So makes sense to pull the same trick with SpaceX to gullible investors. That it's really an AI company so that SpaceX can afford to bail out Tesla when it buys all those unsold Cybertrucks.

                                      Won't be surprised when Neuralink is touted as an AI company next

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                                      D'Arcy Norman πŸ‡¨πŸ‡¦
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                                      @bornach @bellegraylane @cstross just waiting for The Boring Company to pivot to AI…

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                                      • polypunkP polypunk

                                        @gbargoud
                                        The hell, I toolk this as a plot element in @bitterkarella 's latest gag?
                                        Argh. I'm gonna hide under a rock...
                                        @cstross @tony

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                                        @bitterkarella @cstross @tony @polypunk

                                        This email exchange particularly but there are at least 2 others I've seen (one of which looked like he actually made it to the island)

                                        https://masto.nyc/@gbargoud/115995538588284957

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                                        • George BG George B

                                          @bitterkarella @cstross @tony @polypunk

                                          This email exchange particularly but there are at least 2 others I've seen (one of which looked like he actually made it to the island)

                                          https://masto.nyc/@gbargoud/115995538588284957

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                                          @gbargoud @cstross @bitterkarella @tony @polypunk Wow. β€œHey guys I wanna come party on pedo island!” β€œNah man, you missed it, so sad”

                                          As a nerd who’s gotten quite accustomed to living on the outer fringe of the Cool Kids Klub, this dialog feels hauntingly familiar.

                                          Still gross, but also pathetic

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