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Police and military uniforms have converged on a “special forces” look.

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  • Dan CrossC Dan Cross

    @inthehands as a veteran, I find the appropriation of military motifs by civil law enforcement extremely offensive, but also incredibly dangerous.

    A particularly egregious example, that I wish people would address more often, is the use of the word "civilians" to describe people that are not whatever strain of police is using the term. "Civilians" refers to people within the general civil populace, as opposed to the military. The police (in all their various forms) are members of the civil society, and as such, civilians themselves.

    Words have meaning, and those meanings matter. When we allow these subtle shifts in language, we normalize the militarization of police forces nationwide, but more than that, we reinforce the self-image of the police as separate from the rest of civil society. And history shows that when people view themselves as apart from civil society, they often see themselves unbeholden to the norms and ethics that govern civil society.

    One can draw a pretty straight line from that to these guys cosplaying soldier, wearing full tactical gear, riding on MRAPs and HMMWVs, assault rifles on their shoulders like the movies, belt-fed automatic weapons mounted on turrets in the background for Kristi Noem's photo-ops. We, collectively, should have never let anyone get away with normalizing this from the second it started. Yet how many articles does one read in the press where no one ever bothers challenging a cop when they refer to the people that they've supposedly sworn to protect and serve as "civilians", as if they, themselves, are not?

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    @cross
    You definitely should listen to “Gear.”

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    • Dan CrossC Dan Cross

      @inthehands as a veteran, I find the appropriation of military motifs by civil law enforcement extremely offensive, but also incredibly dangerous.

      A particularly egregious example, that I wish people would address more often, is the use of the word "civilians" to describe people that are not whatever strain of police is using the term. "Civilians" refers to people within the general civil populace, as opposed to the military. The police (in all their various forms) are members of the civil society, and as such, civilians themselves.

      Words have meaning, and those meanings matter. When we allow these subtle shifts in language, we normalize the militarization of police forces nationwide, but more than that, we reinforce the self-image of the police as separate from the rest of civil society. And history shows that when people view themselves as apart from civil society, they often see themselves unbeholden to the norms and ethics that govern civil society.

      One can draw a pretty straight line from that to these guys cosplaying soldier, wearing full tactical gear, riding on MRAPs and HMMWVs, assault rifles on their shoulders like the movies, belt-fed automatic weapons mounted on turrets in the background for Kristi Noem's photo-ops. We, collectively, should have never let anyone get away with normalizing this from the second it started. Yet how many articles does one read in the press where no one ever bothers challenging a cop when they refer to the people that they've supposedly sworn to protect and serve as "civilians", as if they, themselves, are not?

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      @cross @inthehands

      To put it into sharper focus: the antonym of «civilian» here would be «combatant». The mentioned usage would seem to suggest that that is how they see themselves.

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      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

        I’ve had this contingent of the language police show up in my replies a few times now over the word “cosplay,” and look…

        OK, I get it, I get the instinct to say “Don’t drag me into this!” and I applaud the effort to push fascists out of communities, yes to all that…

        …and also we need to recognize that what ICE is doing absolutely •is• cosplay. The word means “costume play.” It refers to assembling and wearing costumes that are not necessarily functional, but show affinity for a particular subculture by reproducing characters from that subculture’s popular narratives.

        ICE are cosplaying Call of Duty. That is an accurate description of what’s happening. (Listen to “Gear.”)

        I make software and I make music. I don’t think either one of those things •should• be about violence. I don’t •want• them to be about violence. But both are used in the service of violence, like it or not. I shout the violence out whenever it shows up. But would be ridiculous for me to point at what Palantir does and say “That’s not software!” Unfortunately, it •is• software. To deny that would be beyond self-defeating; it would be irresponsible.

        ICE •is• doing cosplay, and we hate it. It’s an insult to the cosplay subculture. It is an insult to the whole of humanity. Fascism creeps into all of our spheres, into every beloved craft and community, and the response is never to pretend it’s not there. The response is to drive it out.

        @wildrikku
        https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@wildrikku/115956545807535535

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        @inthehands cosplay is an accurate term.
        Doesn't mean people who cosplay in other contexts are bad.
        But, these guys are pretending to be what they aren't. And are dressing as part of their pretense. Only they have guns and are told to use them.

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        • Dan CrossC Dan Cross

          @inthehands as a veteran, I find the appropriation of military motifs by civil law enforcement extremely offensive, but also incredibly dangerous.

          A particularly egregious example, that I wish people would address more often, is the use of the word "civilians" to describe people that are not whatever strain of police is using the term. "Civilians" refers to people within the general civil populace, as opposed to the military. The police (in all their various forms) are members of the civil society, and as such, civilians themselves.

          Words have meaning, and those meanings matter. When we allow these subtle shifts in language, we normalize the militarization of police forces nationwide, but more than that, we reinforce the self-image of the police as separate from the rest of civil society. And history shows that when people view themselves as apart from civil society, they often see themselves unbeholden to the norms and ethics that govern civil society.

          One can draw a pretty straight line from that to these guys cosplaying soldier, wearing full tactical gear, riding on MRAPs and HMMWVs, assault rifles on their shoulders like the movies, belt-fed automatic weapons mounted on turrets in the background for Kristi Noem's photo-ops. We, collectively, should have never let anyone get away with normalizing this from the second it started. Yet how many articles does one read in the press where no one ever bothers challenging a cop when they refer to the people that they've supposedly sworn to protect and serve as "civilians", as if they, themselves, are not?

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          @cross @inthehands
          Jolly Good Ginger was in Minneapolis yelling at military-cosplaying #ICE goons about this very thing. "Are you veterans? Did you earn that uniform?" he shouted in their faces. "I did."

          It was so good to see a real soldier call these wannabes out.

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          • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

            RE: https://hachyderm.io/@rationaldoge/115953632587673647

            Police and military uniforms have converged on a “special forces” look. SNL mocked ICE for wearing camo: “Where did you think Minnesota is??” But that’s the •look•: camo, tactical gear. It is the look ICE officers crave: “This is so cool, like Call of Duty” one said. And now you can’t tell all the militaries and militarized police forces apart, to the point where they have to wear safety vests over camo. High-vis! Over camo! The irony.

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            @inthehands

            Hilariously, one of the infamous little stupidities of the GWoT-era US Army was the obsession with wearing reflective belts for safety in anything that could be considered less than perfect visibility conditions. No faster way to get yelled at by a senior enlisted leader than by not wearing your reflective belt (over your camouflage uniform) in a motor pool, or 10 seconds after mean nautical twilight. On a FOB in Afghanistan.

            I bet they already had the reflective gear issued.

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            • Paul CantrellI This user is from outside of this forum
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              @schwa
              They’ve been at me in my replies repeatedly, and I have very few fucks left to give.

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                @schwa @inthehands what a rude thing to say.

                Edit: they either blocked me or deleted their post, so just to clarify, this was directed at Schwa for their rude comment, not Paul (whom I wholeheartedly support)

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                • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                  I’ve had this contingent of the language police show up in my replies a few times now over the word “cosplay,” and look…

                  OK, I get it, I get the instinct to say “Don’t drag me into this!” and I applaud the effort to push fascists out of communities, yes to all that…

                  …and also we need to recognize that what ICE is doing absolutely •is• cosplay. The word means “costume play.” It refers to assembling and wearing costumes that are not necessarily functional, but show affinity for a particular subculture by reproducing characters from that subculture’s popular narratives.

                  ICE are cosplaying Call of Duty. That is an accurate description of what’s happening. (Listen to “Gear.”)

                  I make software and I make music. I don’t think either one of those things •should• be about violence. I don’t •want• them to be about violence. But both are used in the service of violence, like it or not. I shout the violence out whenever it shows up. But would be ridiculous for me to point at what Palantir does and say “That’s not software!” Unfortunately, it •is• software. To deny that would be beyond self-defeating; it would be irresponsible.

                  ICE •is• doing cosplay, and we hate it. It’s an insult to the cosplay subculture. It is an insult to the whole of humanity. Fascism creeps into all of our spheres, into every beloved craft and community, and the response is never to pretend it’s not there. The response is to drive it out.

                  @wildrikku
                  https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@wildrikku/115956545807535535

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                  @inthehands I'm not sure how many people are aware that even the much-feared SS was not an elite highly-trained military force. They were rather mediocre on the battlefield compared to the actual armed forces. What they were feared for was not their skill at warfare, but for what they did to the defeated and occupied peoples after the fighting was over.

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                  • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                    I’ve had this contingent of the language police show up in my replies a few times now over the word “cosplay,” and look…

                    OK, I get it, I get the instinct to say “Don’t drag me into this!” and I applaud the effort to push fascists out of communities, yes to all that…

                    …and also we need to recognize that what ICE is doing absolutely •is• cosplay. The word means “costume play.” It refers to assembling and wearing costumes that are not necessarily functional, but show affinity for a particular subculture by reproducing characters from that subculture’s popular narratives.

                    ICE are cosplaying Call of Duty. That is an accurate description of what’s happening. (Listen to “Gear.”)

                    I make software and I make music. I don’t think either one of those things •should• be about violence. I don’t •want• them to be about violence. But both are used in the service of violence, like it or not. I shout the violence out whenever it shows up. But would be ridiculous for me to point at what Palantir does and say “That’s not software!” Unfortunately, it •is• software. To deny that would be beyond self-defeating; it would be irresponsible.

                    ICE •is• doing cosplay, and we hate it. It’s an insult to the cosplay subculture. It is an insult to the whole of humanity. Fascism creeps into all of our spheres, into every beloved craft and community, and the response is never to pretend it’s not there. The response is to drive it out.

                    @wildrikku
                    https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@wildrikku/115956545807535535

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                    @inthehands

                    Very good point. Sorry the tone police and the how to use Mastodon police have nothing better to do than jump into your comments.

                    Kristi Noem, aka ICE Barbie, is the perfect example of cosplay. She will wear any outfit with all the accessories.

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                    • Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈L Lazarou Monkey Terror 🚀💙🌈

                      @Nicovel0 @inthehands Greg Bovino's style has been compared to Ernst Rohm....

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                      @Lazarou @inthehands oh? Why?

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                      • Nicovel0 🍉N Nicovel0 🍉

                        @Lazarou @inthehands oh? Why?

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                        @Nicovel0 @inthehands he loves it too....the sick bastard.

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                        • Lee from ColoradoC Lee from Colorado

                          @inthehands cosplay is an accurate term.
                          Doesn't mean people who cosplay in other contexts are bad.
                          But, these guys are pretending to be what they aren't. And are dressing as part of their pretense. Only they have guns and are told to use them.

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                          @colo_lee @inthehands hm. There may be a distinction worth making about these guys cosplaying as part of pretending to be what they aren’t, and people in other contexts cosplaying as an expression of who they are. But the word “cosplay” doesn’t make that distinction

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                          • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                            @cross
                            You definitely should listen to “Gear.”

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                            @cross
                            (And I should add, in case you’re leery of it: Gear is not at all some sort of breathless anti-military “scandal scandal scandal!!” hit piece you might expect, utterly the opposite. It paints a rich picture of military life that civilians — in the correct sense you laid out! — frequently do not know or understand. It’s full of military history and military life and military voices, and lays out all kinds of nuanced interrelationships between the fashion industry, the outdoor industry, and the military with a critical eye that that’s there to build understanding. Good stuff.)

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                            • S ShadSterling

                              @colo_lee @inthehands hm. There may be a distinction worth making about these guys cosplaying as part of pretending to be what they aren’t, and people in other contexts cosplaying as an expression of who they are. But the word “cosplay” doesn’t make that distinction

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                              @ShadSterling @colo_lee
                              I don’t think that distinction applies. They •are• expressing who they are: they are assembling the costumes of violence and of fascism. They sullying the beautiful practice of cosplay by using it to express something horrible. But the expression is •genuine•. If anything, I wish more people had taken it seriously sooner: through their fashion choices, through the self-expression of costume, they are sincerely telling us who they are.

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                              • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                I’ve had this contingent of the language police show up in my replies a few times now over the word “cosplay,” and look…

                                OK, I get it, I get the instinct to say “Don’t drag me into this!” and I applaud the effort to push fascists out of communities, yes to all that…

                                …and also we need to recognize that what ICE is doing absolutely •is• cosplay. The word means “costume play.” It refers to assembling and wearing costumes that are not necessarily functional, but show affinity for a particular subculture by reproducing characters from that subculture’s popular narratives.

                                ICE are cosplaying Call of Duty. That is an accurate description of what’s happening. (Listen to “Gear.”)

                                I make software and I make music. I don’t think either one of those things •should• be about violence. I don’t •want• them to be about violence. But both are used in the service of violence, like it or not. I shout the violence out whenever it shows up. But would be ridiculous for me to point at what Palantir does and say “That’s not software!” Unfortunately, it •is• software. To deny that would be beyond self-defeating; it would be irresponsible.

                                ICE •is• doing cosplay, and we hate it. It’s an insult to the cosplay subculture. It is an insult to the whole of humanity. Fascism creeps into all of our spheres, into every beloved craft and community, and the response is never to pretend it’s not there. The response is to drive it out.

                                @wildrikku
                                https://mastodon.gamedev.place/@wildrikku/115956545807535535

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                                This is the SNL sketch I mentioned in the first post:

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA8Oury0a80

                                Right now, I’m finding this kind of “cringe-laugh” material therapeutic. To protect my own mental health, I’m having to pace my grieving — which sounds so strange, but that’s what’s going on. Laughter and critical analysis both are functioning as a kind of escape valve for me right now. So please, as someone from Minneapolis, please grieve and rage, yes, and also please give yourself permission to laugh.

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                                • Dan CrossC Dan Cross

                                  @inthehands as a veteran, I find the appropriation of military motifs by civil law enforcement extremely offensive, but also incredibly dangerous.

                                  A particularly egregious example, that I wish people would address more often, is the use of the word "civilians" to describe people that are not whatever strain of police is using the term. "Civilians" refers to people within the general civil populace, as opposed to the military. The police (in all their various forms) are members of the civil society, and as such, civilians themselves.

                                  Words have meaning, and those meanings matter. When we allow these subtle shifts in language, we normalize the militarization of police forces nationwide, but more than that, we reinforce the self-image of the police as separate from the rest of civil society. And history shows that when people view themselves as apart from civil society, they often see themselves unbeholden to the norms and ethics that govern civil society.

                                  One can draw a pretty straight line from that to these guys cosplaying soldier, wearing full tactical gear, riding on MRAPs and HMMWVs, assault rifles on their shoulders like the movies, belt-fed automatic weapons mounted on turrets in the background for Kristi Noem's photo-ops. We, collectively, should have never let anyone get away with normalizing this from the second it started. Yet how many articles does one read in the press where no one ever bothers challenging a cop when they refer to the people that they've supposedly sworn to protect and serve as "civilians", as if they, themselves, are not?

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                                  @cross @inthehands

                                  There's also the problem of LE wanting military equipment and military duds but not military justice.

                                  One of the reasons I'd like to see CBP disbanded, the border patrol duty given to an expanded Coast Guard, and that returned to the Pentagon is that my understanding is that UCMJ would cover so many of these crimes and abuses.

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                                  • Dan CrossC Dan Cross

                                    @inthehands as a veteran, I find the appropriation of military motifs by civil law enforcement extremely offensive, but also incredibly dangerous.

                                    A particularly egregious example, that I wish people would address more often, is the use of the word "civilians" to describe people that are not whatever strain of police is using the term. "Civilians" refers to people within the general civil populace, as opposed to the military. The police (in all their various forms) are members of the civil society, and as such, civilians themselves.

                                    Words have meaning, and those meanings matter. When we allow these subtle shifts in language, we normalize the militarization of police forces nationwide, but more than that, we reinforce the self-image of the police as separate from the rest of civil society. And history shows that when people view themselves as apart from civil society, they often see themselves unbeholden to the norms and ethics that govern civil society.

                                    One can draw a pretty straight line from that to these guys cosplaying soldier, wearing full tactical gear, riding on MRAPs and HMMWVs, assault rifles on their shoulders like the movies, belt-fed automatic weapons mounted on turrets in the background for Kristi Noem's photo-ops. We, collectively, should have never let anyone get away with normalizing this from the second it started. Yet how many articles does one read in the press where no one ever bothers challenging a cop when they refer to the people that they've supposedly sworn to protect and serve as "civilians", as if they, themselves, are not?

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                                    @cross @inthehands in the past, one may have even called them "civil servants"

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                                    • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                      RE: https://hachyderm.io/@rationaldoge/115953632587673647

                                      Police and military uniforms have converged on a “special forces” look. SNL mocked ICE for wearing camo: “Where did you think Minnesota is??” But that’s the •look•: camo, tactical gear. It is the look ICE officers crave: “This is so cool, like Call of Duty” one said. And now you can’t tell all the militaries and militarized police forces apart, to the point where they have to wear safety vests over camo. High-vis! Over camo! The irony.

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                                      @inthehands ICE is wearing more tactical crap than Marines had at the battle of Fallujah. And probably ruining it by poor maintenance, so it can't even be passed on to active duty military. (Cops don't need it, either.)

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                                      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                        This is the SNL sketch I mentioned in the first post:

                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA8Oury0a80

                                        Right now, I’m finding this kind of “cringe-laugh” material therapeutic. To protect my own mental health, I’m having to pace my grieving — which sounds so strange, but that’s what’s going on. Laughter and critical analysis both are functioning as a kind of escape valve for me right now. So please, as someone from Minneapolis, please grieve and rage, yes, and also please give yourself permission to laugh.

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                                        Annelies Kamran, Ph.D.
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                                        @inthehands @Wyatt_H_Knott apparently it was cut from the live show ☹️

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                                        • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

                                          RE: https://hachyderm.io/@rationaldoge/115953632587673647

                                          Police and military uniforms have converged on a “special forces” look. SNL mocked ICE for wearing camo: “Where did you think Minnesota is??” But that’s the •look•: camo, tactical gear. It is the look ICE officers crave: “This is so cool, like Call of Duty” one said. And now you can’t tell all the militaries and militarized police forces apart, to the point where they have to wear safety vests over camo. High-vis! Over camo! The irony.

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                                          @inthehands

                                          Apparently they are also hanging all sorts of useless expensive "video game" paraphernalia on their weapons...

                                          https://www.patreon.com/posts/ice-guys-all-of-148797536

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