Jack Dorsey skipped ActivityPub, built AtProto, lost Twitter, funded Bluesky, watched it become a company with VCs and a board, said it was "repeating all the mistakes," left, and now funds Nostr.
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@thisismissem @evan @quillmatiq more adoption, like Metas Threads? There are dozens of projects on the fediverse, more than atproto, so that’s not really coming across as you think it is lol
@dansup So ActivityPub needed VC money, too?
Btw, Fediverse Threads is in maintenance mode and is one-way, basically RSS with likes, so are we going to even consider it a part of the ecosystem at this point?
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@thisismissem @evan @quillmatiq more adoption, like Metas Threads? There are dozens of projects on the fediverse, more than atproto, so that’s not really coming across as you think it is lol
@dansup @thisismissem @evan @quillmatiq And virtually all of them literally cannot function without Bluesky.
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@evan @dansup I'm not gaslighting anyone, Evan, and I would hope that you would know me better than that after our conversations.
You can throw stones back at the Fedi's bet around Meta and all the other companies that promised ActivityPub integration but never delivered. What are we even doing here?
@quillmatiq @dansup I know you and I appreciate your work.
Coalitions exist when different factions and players share some common goals. But they don't have to share *all* the same goals to work together.
I think there's a good case to be made that the ATProto community and the Fediverse can be a coalition to work together on the Open Social Web.
That doesn't mean we can't talk about our differences, or advocate for our own protocols and technologies.
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@dansup So ActivityPub needed VC money, too?
Btw, Fediverse Threads is in maintenance mode and is one-way, basically RSS with likes, so are we going to even consider it a part of the ecosystem at this point?
@dansup Also, I'm sorry, I have to ask - but how many independent services do you think atproto has right now? Because it's not just a handful, as you're making it out to be.
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@evan @dansup @quillmatiq Evan, perhaps spend some time introspecting why ActivityPub didn't get more adoption and why developers love AT Protocol.
@thisismissem @evan @dansup @quillmatiq
Why do you think this is Emelia?
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@dansup So ActivityPub needed VC money, too?
Btw, Fediverse Threads is in maintenance mode and is one-way, basically RSS with likes, so are we going to even consider it a part of the ecosystem at this point?
@quillmatiq @dansup @thisismissem Friend, what's your goal here?
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@dansup Also, I'm sorry, I have to ask - but how many independent services do you think atproto has right now? Because it's not just a handful, as you're making it out to be.
@quillmatiq @dansup @thisismissem @evan
How many Anuj?
And, what constitutes an AT Proto "independent service"?
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@dansup Also, I'm sorry, I have to ask - but how many independent services do you think atproto has right now? Because it's not just a handful, as you're making it out to be.
@quillmatiq @dansup @thisismissem @evan I don't know every atproto service out there, but I know Leaflet, Blacksky, and I think there's something being worked on called EuroSky? I know there's more, I remember researching this at one point but that was a while ago so I forgot a lot of the other ones but yeah, all this talk of atproto shouldn't have had a chance honestly doesn't help, we should be making the entire ecosystem better by trying to make the experience the best it can be across both ActivityPub and atproto.
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@evan @dansup There are brilliant developers who were building in between the two spaces who decided it wasn't worth the hate they were receiving. If you want, I can share how much hate I get for bridging, and the mass majority comes from this side of the ecosystem, I just continue on because I believe in the mission.
It's a culture problem, and you two have the power to help change that.
@quillmatiq @dansup I really appreciate the work that you and A New Social do to keep the social web stitched together.
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Jack Dorsey skipped ActivityPub, built AtProto, lost Twitter, funded Bluesky, watched it become a company with VCs and a board, said it was "repeating all the mistakes," left, and now funds Nostr.
The fediverse is the only one in this story that never needed a billionaire to survive.
And it never will.
This concept shall henceforth be referred to as .... Chasing Twitter.
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@dansup @thisismissem @evan @quillmatiq And virtually all of them literally cannot function without Bluesky.
@reflex @dansup @thisismissem @evan @quillmatiq
Seems like there are some AT Proto experts here. Perhaps someone can address the issue of the inherent limitations of the protocol due to quadratic scaling? Or, credibly refute this assertion.
https://mastodon.online/@mastodonmigration/116064809568107112
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@quillmatiq @dansup I know you and I appreciate your work.
Coalitions exist when different factions and players share some common goals. But they don't have to share *all* the same goals to work together.
I think there's a good case to be made that the ATProto community and the Fediverse can be a coalition to work together on the Open Social Web.
That doesn't mean we can't talk about our differences, or advocate for our own protocols and technologies.
@quillmatiq @dansup And, absolutely, I'm really concerned about how we get more of those companies re-engaged.
It wasn't the only factor, but having multiple protocols in the space makes it more likely that implementers take a wait-and-see approach and don't use either.
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@evan @dansup @quillmatiq Evan, perhaps spend some time introspecting why ActivityPub didn't get more adoption and why developers love AT Protocol.
@thisismissem @dansup @quillmatiq This is my number one area of interest!
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