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I swear to god I love how liberals overthink everything.

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  • myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
    myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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    I swear to god I love how liberals overthink everything. But I also hate it so much. It makes me want to die.

    You know what's "performative" ? The most performative thing in the world?

    Talking about what's performative is SO performative.

    And here's the spicy take: performative isn't bad.

    doing good things performativly is far far better than not doing anything and better than participating in harm.

    myrmepropagandistF millennial fulcrumF AndrocatA Mad EngineeringM Rosy MathsR 5 Replies Last reply
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    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

      I swear to god I love how liberals overthink everything. But I also hate it so much. It makes me want to die.

      You know what's "performative" ? The most performative thing in the world?

      Talking about what's performative is SO performative.

      And here's the spicy take: performative isn't bad.

      doing good things performativly is far far better than not doing anything and better than participating in harm.

      myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
      myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
      myrmepropagandist
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      Sometimes people start doing the right thing not because they understand why it's right but just to fit in. They can learn along the way.

      And if you are "performativly filming ICE" you are still filming ICE nobody cares if you are pure of heart and a magical gnome who has never had a biogted thought in your life.

      I think the real subtext to some of these debates is just that leftists can find liberals kind of corny and cringe. But we live in a post cringe era. Irony is dead.

      I Can't Believe It's Not Zero!S Claire, The Ultimate WorrierW myrmepropagandistF tiny_mT Mobile Suit LarryF 5 Replies Last reply
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      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

        Sometimes people start doing the right thing not because they understand why it's right but just to fit in. They can learn along the way.

        And if you are "performativly filming ICE" you are still filming ICE nobody cares if you are pure of heart and a magical gnome who has never had a biogted thought in your life.

        I think the real subtext to some of these debates is just that leftists can find liberals kind of corny and cringe. But we live in a post cringe era. Irony is dead.

        I Can't Believe It's Not Zero!S This user is from outside of this forum
        I Can't Believe It's Not Zero!S This user is from outside of this forum
        I Can't Believe It's Not Zero!
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        @futurebird Fake it til you make it!

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        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

          Sometimes people start doing the right thing not because they understand why it's right but just to fit in. They can learn along the way.

          And if you are "performativly filming ICE" you are still filming ICE nobody cares if you are pure of heart and a magical gnome who has never had a biogted thought in your life.

          I think the real subtext to some of these debates is just that leftists can find liberals kind of corny and cringe. But we live in a post cringe era. Irony is dead.

          Claire, The Ultimate WorrierW This user is from outside of this forum
          Claire, The Ultimate WorrierW This user is from outside of this forum
          Claire, The Ultimate Worrier
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          @futurebird I wish we lived in a post cringe era

          it still feels like a lot of the politics of this era is driven by people who think being a good person or doing the right thing is embarrassing

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          • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

            Sometimes people start doing the right thing not because they understand why it's right but just to fit in. They can learn along the way.

            And if you are "performativly filming ICE" you are still filming ICE nobody cares if you are pure of heart and a magical gnome who has never had a biogted thought in your life.

            I think the real subtext to some of these debates is just that leftists can find liberals kind of corny and cringe. But we live in a post cringe era. Irony is dead.

            myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
            myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
            myrmepropagandist
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            There is a very PERFORMATIVE debate going on in knitting and fiber arts about if this idea some people have about knitting red hats is performative or not.

            I kid you not. Nice suburban white ladies are giving each other anxiety attacks Please stop. It's obvious that bringing groceries for your neighbor is more helpful than knitting a hat. But if knitting is what YOU can do now? That is AMAZING.

            Kind of sad no one has noticed they have reinvented the liberty cap. Put that sucker on a pole.

            myrmepropagandistF Jessie Kirk • 🏳️‍⚧️ :ace: 🕊️T Jens FinkhäuserJ Wandering StarP ClayfootC 7 Replies Last reply
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            • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

              Sometimes people start doing the right thing not because they understand why it's right but just to fit in. They can learn along the way.

              And if you are "performativly filming ICE" you are still filming ICE nobody cares if you are pure of heart and a magical gnome who has never had a biogted thought in your life.

              I think the real subtext to some of these debates is just that leftists can find liberals kind of corny and cringe. But we live in a post cringe era. Irony is dead.

              tiny_mT This user is from outside of this forum
              tiny_mT This user is from outside of this forum
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              @futurebird I think also there is value in normalising behaviour, so even if someone is doing it for the wrong reasons it can still have a net benefit if that changes the groups behaviour to make the new thing normal, filming abusers, putting pronouns in bios, wearing a mask on public transport, speaking up if you think someone is making a joke that isn't ok. If only the very 'good' people do these things, then that will always be seen as extremist behaviour instead of what everyone should do

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              • Claire, The Ultimate WorrierW Claire, The Ultimate Worrier

                @futurebird I wish we lived in a post cringe era

                it still feels like a lot of the politics of this era is driven by people who think being a good person or doing the right thing is embarrassing

                PassengerP This user is from outside of this forum
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                @futurebird @waitworry

                I think a lot of people describe being good as cringe not because they dislike the idea of being cringe, but because they dislike the idea of being good.

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                • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                  I swear to god I love how liberals overthink everything. But I also hate it so much. It makes me want to die.

                  You know what's "performative" ? The most performative thing in the world?

                  Talking about what's performative is SO performative.

                  And here's the spicy take: performative isn't bad.

                  doing good things performativly is far far better than not doing anything and better than participating in harm.

                  millennial fulcrumF This user is from outside of this forum
                  millennial fulcrumF This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @futurebird well that is extreme realness. well put as usual.

                  performative kindness is kindness reps.

                  that is somebody improving at kindness. that is a good thing leading to an extremely good thing.

                  come to think of it I'd happily take ANY virtue signaler over ANY apathetic person any time of the day or night. no question. they're objectively better for the world.

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                  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                    I swear to god I love how liberals overthink everything. But I also hate it so much. It makes me want to die.

                    You know what's "performative" ? The most performative thing in the world?

                    Talking about what's performative is SO performative.

                    And here's the spicy take: performative isn't bad.

                    doing good things performativly is far far better than not doing anything and better than participating in harm.

                    AndrocatA This user is from outside of this forum
                    AndrocatA This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @futurebird The bad guys know this too.

                    Performative harms are the social glue that holds their monstrous movement together.

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                    • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                      There is a very PERFORMATIVE debate going on in knitting and fiber arts about if this idea some people have about knitting red hats is performative or not.

                      I kid you not. Nice suburban white ladies are giving each other anxiety attacks Please stop. It's obvious that bringing groceries for your neighbor is more helpful than knitting a hat. But if knitting is what YOU can do now? That is AMAZING.

                      Kind of sad no one has noticed they have reinvented the liberty cap. Put that sucker on a pole.

                      myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
                      myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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                      RE: https://indieweb.social/@tiny_m/116040447914491756

                      There are people I know who removed their pronouns from their email signatures around last year and I'm deeply disappointed in them. More than adding such things in a "performative" way taking them down as the first sign of cultural push-back is a different kind of "performance" Who is this show for?

                      (It's really noticeable when someone is just swaying in the wind. This is why *some* Democratic pols have trouble, they are so quick to "change with the times" it makes them hard to trust.)

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                      • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                        Sometimes people start doing the right thing not because they understand why it's right but just to fit in. They can learn along the way.

                        And if you are "performativly filming ICE" you are still filming ICE nobody cares if you are pure of heart and a magical gnome who has never had a biogted thought in your life.

                        I think the real subtext to some of these debates is just that leftists can find liberals kind of corny and cringe. But we live in a post cringe era. Irony is dead.

                        Mobile Suit LarryF This user is from outside of this forum
                        Mobile Suit LarryF This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @futurebird I think maybe we have reached the stage of usage (similar to gaslight) where people with only the slightest grasp of the word are using it to mean anything they don't like.

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                        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                          There is a very PERFORMATIVE debate going on in knitting and fiber arts about if this idea some people have about knitting red hats is performative or not.

                          I kid you not. Nice suburban white ladies are giving each other anxiety attacks Please stop. It's obvious that bringing groceries for your neighbor is more helpful than knitting a hat. But if knitting is what YOU can do now? That is AMAZING.

                          Kind of sad no one has noticed they have reinvented the liberty cap. Put that sucker on a pole.

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                          Jessie Kirk • 🏳️‍⚧️ :ace: 🕊️
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                          @futurebird If someone knitted me something that'd make my day!

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                          • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                            I swear to god I love how liberals overthink everything. But I also hate it so much. It makes me want to die.

                            You know what's "performative" ? The most performative thing in the world?

                            Talking about what's performative is SO performative.

                            And here's the spicy take: performative isn't bad.

                            doing good things performativly is far far better than not doing anything and better than participating in harm.

                            Mad EngineeringM This user is from outside of this forum
                            Mad EngineeringM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @futurebird I'm not going to worry about performance, I'm going to worry about fraudulent, which is thankfully less common.

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                            • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                              I swear to god I love how liberals overthink everything. But I also hate it so much. It makes me want to die.

                              You know what's "performative" ? The most performative thing in the world?

                              Talking about what's performative is SO performative.

                              And here's the spicy take: performative isn't bad.

                              doing good things performativly is far far better than not doing anything and better than participating in harm.

                              Rosy MathsR This user is from outside of this forum
                              Rosy MathsR This user is from outside of this forum
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                              @futurebird I had not thought about this before.
                              I guess enough performative actions can still affect societal norms and help shift the Overton window in a less cruel direction.

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                              • Rosy MathsR Rosy Maths

                                @futurebird I had not thought about this before.
                                I guess enough performative actions can still affect societal norms and help shift the Overton window in a less cruel direction.

                                myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @RosyMaths

                                As authoritarians seek greater control actions that were once "performative" become dangerous.

                                People will complain "the protest is just a parade" but it still proves that at least on that weekend you could do a protest. Eventually the right will stop even performative push back... unless it's everywhere and impossible to stop.

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                                • tiny_mT tiny_m

                                  @futurebird I think also there is value in normalising behaviour, so even if someone is doing it for the wrong reasons it can still have a net benefit if that changes the groups behaviour to make the new thing normal, filming abusers, putting pronouns in bios, wearing a mask on public transport, speaking up if you think someone is making a joke that isn't ok. If only the very 'good' people do these things, then that will always be seen as extremist behaviour instead of what everyone should do

                                  Lien RagL This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @tiny_m

                                  You're aware that it's Puritan thinking, right ?

                                  @futurebird

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                                  • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                    There is a very PERFORMATIVE debate going on in knitting and fiber arts about if this idea some people have about knitting red hats is performative or not.

                                    I kid you not. Nice suburban white ladies are giving each other anxiety attacks Please stop. It's obvious that bringing groceries for your neighbor is more helpful than knitting a hat. But if knitting is what YOU can do now? That is AMAZING.

                                    Kind of sad no one has noticed they have reinvented the liberty cap. Put that sucker on a pole.

                                    Jens FinkhäuserJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    @futurebird Leftist purity wars have always been the Left's undoing. "Performative" is just the latest weapon in them.

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                                    • Jens FinkhäuserJ Jens Finkhäuser

                                      @futurebird Leftist purity wars have always been the Left's undoing. "Performative" is just the latest weapon in them.

                                      myrmepropagandistF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      @jens

                                      It's very silly.

                                      Everything can be made out to be "performative" -- if someone wants to say that an idea isn't effective, or that it's not cool for some reason explain that.

                                      I think some people don't like the hat idea because of PTSD from the "pussy hats" from 2016 and that is valid IMO

                                      But maybe things have been learned since then.

                                      Also be nice to the knitters, they have sharp needles and frankly are kind of scary.

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                                      • Lien RagL Lien Rag

                                        @tiny_m

                                        You're aware that it's Puritan thinking, right ?

                                        @futurebird

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                                        @lienrag @tiny_m

                                        How so?

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                                        • myrmepropagandistF myrmepropagandist

                                          There is a very PERFORMATIVE debate going on in knitting and fiber arts about if this idea some people have about knitting red hats is performative or not.

                                          I kid you not. Nice suburban white ladies are giving each other anxiety attacks Please stop. It's obvious that bringing groceries for your neighbor is more helpful than knitting a hat. But if knitting is what YOU can do now? That is AMAZING.

                                          Kind of sad no one has noticed they have reinvented the liberty cap. Put that sucker on a pole.

                                          Wandering StarP This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Wandering StarP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          @futurebird I noticed! Liberty caps for the win.

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