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Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

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  • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

    Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

    Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

    Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

    Longplay GamesL This user is from outside of this forum
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    Longplay Games
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    #34

    @jamesthomson I'd hesitate to call them "developers" tbh.

    The whole "you can't copyright AI code" part is a real showstopper at my workplace.

    https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/LSB/PDF/LSB10922/LSB10922.8.pdf

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    • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

      Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

      Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

      Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

      Ryan OwensR This user is from outside of this forum
      Ryan OwensR This user is from outside of this forum
      Ryan Owens
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      #35

      @jamesthomson Unfortunately it seems the options are use the slop generators or be unemployed. At least that is the opinion of management at the company I work for.

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      • Ryan OwensR Ryan Owens

        @jamesthomson Unfortunately it seems the options are use the slop generators or be unemployed. At least that is the opinion of management at the company I work for.

        James ThomsonJ This user is from outside of this forum
        James ThomsonJ This user is from outside of this forum
        James Thomson
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        #36

        @ryanvade That definitely sucks.

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        • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

          Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

          Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

          Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

          Carlos SolísC This user is from outside of this forum
          Carlos SolísC This user is from outside of this forum
          Carlos Solís
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          #37
          Developers assume that all that code on the Internet must probably be open-source anyways. Cluelessly ignoring issues of attribution requirements, license compatibility, and the sheer lack of tracking of either by most scrapers. So far I've found one single model that even attempts to keep tabs on that, so you can imagine the ticking legal bomb that is the rest of them
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          • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

            Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

            Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

            Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

            Travis MarbleM This user is from outside of this forum
            Travis MarbleM This user is from outside of this forum
            Travis Marble
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            #38

            @jamesthomson It is depressing, I think some of it is management push, I think most of it is FOMO. Developers have always had this unique personality, they have to be seen as early adopters, innovators, and I think pontificating about how good they are at using AI, is just that. Just look at LinkedIn.

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            • LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺L LΞX/NØVΛ 🇪🇺

              @jamesthomson not all, many say the same thing as writers and artist, as surprise it also stole their code ...

              Martin Owens :inkscape:D This user is from outside of this forum
              Martin Owens :inkscape:D This user is from outside of this forum
              Martin Owens :inkscape:
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              #39

              @lexinova @jamesthomson

              I know I certainly do. My code has had it's protections stripped out so valley dudes can strip mine it for even the smell of real programming.

              SHAME!

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              • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

                Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

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                ab
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                #40

                @jamesthomson man this made me laugh so hard. Mastodon is cool

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                • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

                  Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                  Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                  Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

                  CyC This user is from outside of this forum
                  CyC This user is from outside of this forum
                  Cy
                  wrote last edited by
                  #41
                  Generative AI models suck because they steal attribution, not copyright. So I like to say they're built on stolen attribution, not stolen "works." Because when you say stolen works, people will (correctly) observe that you still have the works you claim were stolen, and (correctly) roll their eyes and refuse to take you seriously. Claiming ownership of ideas and punishing people for sharing is itself deeply unethical, and we need to focus on the terrible danger AI represents, which is erasing our reputations and friendships, and burying us in slop. (And also destroying our ecosystem.)

                  Instead, artists are drinking the kool-aid and now preaching the same oppressive bullshit that publishers have been using to crush them for decades. -_-
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                  • Lona TheartlavT Lona Theartlav

                    @jamesthomson I feel like most devs don't see code as art, but as something ephemeral and disposable, a mean to an end.

                    Like i quit IT years ago and mostly code for my own use, and i'm closer to writers and artists on this one.

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                    @theartlav @jamesthomson

                    I wonder how many of us lone coders feel closer to artists, and how many of "team/corpo coders" don't feel any sort of attachment to their code.

                    And on that, how many are pro-AI and how many are anti-AI.

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                    • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

                      Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                      Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                      Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

                      Maria Langer | 📝💎🌵🛥️M This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @jamesthomson @michaelrowe01 I don't think the developers will be so enthusiastic when they vibe code themselves out of a job.

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                      • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

                        Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                        Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                        Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

                        Dave bauerD This user is from outside of this forum
                        Dave bauerD This user is from outside of this forum
                        Dave bauer
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                        #44

                        @jamesthomson Except the programmers who know that coding is just as creative as writing and "art"

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                        • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

                          Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                          Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                          Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

                          Mr.Nuclear MonsterM This user is from outside of this forum
                          Mr.Nuclear MonsterM This user is from outside of this forum
                          Mr.Nuclear Monster
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                          #45

                          @jamesthomson the externalizes were hidden with things like cigarettes, and one rich idiot in particular I used to have some respect for is on a podcast comparing this technology to the switch from programming assembly to c. The switch to fucking C didn't include belching fumes into people's homes and ripping off everyone so a few libertarian shitbags can get rich quick.

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                          • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

                            Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                            Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                            Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

                            :ulfr:U This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #46

                            @jamesthomson Not all developers! — I'll see myself out @benroyce

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                            • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

                              @agiletortoise @Drwave This meat tastes suspiciously familiar.

                              Daniel GibsonD This user is from outside of this forum
                              Daniel GibsonD This user is from outside of this forum
                              Daniel Gibson
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                              @jamesthomson @agiletortoise @Drwave
                              They say music is the food of love
                              Let's see if you're hungry enough
                              Take a bite, take another
                              Just like a good boy would
                              Get a sweet thing on the side
                              Home cooking, homicide
                              Side order, could be your daughter
                              Finger licking good

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                              • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

                                @ryanvade That definitely sucks.

                                Paul HebertP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @jamesthomson @ryanvade yeah there is a lot of managerial pressure and a lot of “use AI or your career will be over” FOMO.

                                It does suck.

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                                • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

                                  @ryanvade That definitely sucks.

                                  Jonathan WightS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  Jonathan Wight
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                                  #49

                                  @jamesthomson @ryanvade and AI is now used massively in hiring - to the point where AI is involved in the decision making process.

                                  We got to this point t really quick

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                                  • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

                                    Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                                    Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                                    Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

                                    Margret KuarellG This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Margret KuarellG This user is from outside of this forum
                                    Margret Kuarell
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                                    @jamesthomson
                                    Developers: producing bloaded and insecure code until nobody is left to fix it (what is a horrible mess if you know what your doing)

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                                    • Dave bauerD Dave bauer

                                      @jamesthomson Except the programmers who know that coding is just as creative as writing and "art"

                                      Margret KuarellG This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Margret KuarellG This user is from outside of this forum
                                      Margret Kuarell
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                                      @davebauerart @jamesthomson
                                      as someone who studied softwarelocalisation: programmers who actually know what they were doing always have been a rare breed...

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                                      • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

                                        Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                                        Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                                        Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

                                        UpLateGeekU This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        UpLateGeek
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                                        #52

                                        @jamesthomson publishing and music companies: We’ll sign any contract with AI companies, especially if it requires us to hand over our writers/artists works little to no compensation for them.

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                                        • James ThomsonJ James Thomson

                                          Writers: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                                          Artists: Generative AI models were built on our stolen works, are deeply unethical, and risk devaluing our entire profession.

                                          Developers: Wheeeeeeeeee!

                                          Lori M OlsonL This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Lori M OlsonL This user is from outside of this forum
                                          Lori M Olson
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #53

                                          @jamesthomson not all developers 😑

                                          Seriously though… if it wasn’t mandated by management, I wonder how many would stick with it, considering how bad a lot of the outcomes are

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