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New blog entry: More in Sadness than in Anger: https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2026/02/more-in-sadness-than-in-anger.html

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  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

    New blog entry: More in Sadness than in Anger: https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2026/02/more-in-sadness-than-in-anger.html

    FeòragF This user is from outside of this forum
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    Feòrag
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    @cstross It seems the solution to the question the billionaires ask is to take their ill-gotten gains and redistribute the money so everyone has a decent standard of living.

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    • FeòragF Feòrag

      @cstross It seems the solution to the question the billionaires ask is to take their ill-gotten gains and redistribute the money so everyone has a decent standard of living.

      Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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      Charlie Stross
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      @feorag I still think we should invest in guillotine futures!

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        @feorag I still think we should invest in guillotine futures!

        FeòragF This user is from outside of this forum
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        @cstross While I am in France, I still fall short of that. There again, there’s a joke in there about guillotines and falling short.

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        • FeòragF Feòrag

          @cstross It seems the solution to the question the billionaires ask is to take their ill-gotten gains and redistribute the money so everyone has a decent standard of living.

          L0wKeyL This user is from outside of this forum
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          L0wKey
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          @feorag @cstross

          Regrettably, their view on this senible and simple option is ‘over my cold dead body.’

          History tells us that this can be arranged if no other solutions can be found.

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          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

            Footnote: the outcome of the Epstein/Gates email itself is immaterial—what's interesting is the mind set underlying it, which seems to have strong explanatory power for our current mess: there are too many poor people, and Epstein and his mates would like to get rid of us.

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            @cstross@wandering.shop I don't actually know the context of the emails, but from the quote it does seem that the exact wording is both second hand and ambiguous; is it the poorness that is suppose to go away, or the people?

            Not that I'm feeling generous enough to the people involved to assume the nicer option, but I'd feel dirty to not at least acknowledge both exist.​

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            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

              New blog entry: More in Sadness than in Anger: https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2026/02/more-in-sadness-than-in-anger.html

              David :SetouchiExplorer:D This user is from outside of this forum
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              David :SetouchiExplorer:
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              @cstross Glad that more and more people realize that the oligarchy wants to kill us. I thought I was going crazy. But billion of deaths is consistent with their vision of a livable planet destabilized by an out-of-control climate.

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                New blog entry: More in Sadness than in Anger: https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2026/02/more-in-sadness-than-in-anger.html

                Angela MillerA This user is from outside of this forum
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                Angela Miller
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                @cstross
                I dream of new Nuremburg style trials and 'detention' for the Super Rich.
                Take their stuff, their names and their freedom. Redistribute.

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                • FeòragF Feòrag

                  @cstross While I am in France, I still fall short of that. There again, there’s a joke in there about guillotines and falling short.

                  KoochulainnK This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Koochulainn
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                  @feorag @cstross Sure, but if you want to get ahead, get a guillotine

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                  • FeòragF Feòrag

                    @cstross It seems the solution to the question the billionaires ask is to take their ill-gotten gains and redistribute the money so everyone has a decent standard of living.

                    Hugo MillsD This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @feorag I suspect that when it eventually comes to that, you'd be lucky to get 5% from the liquidation.

                    At least the $1bn ballroom could be used as a warehouse, but even then it's probably got terrible transport links.

                    An awful lot of the "money" is either in the form of objects which are expensive to make but of limited utility to non-billionaires, or largely illusory -- how much is Tesla actually worth as a company, if there's no billionaires to buy it? Probably not the current market cap.

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                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                      Footnote: the outcome of the Epstein/Gates email itself is immaterial—what's interesting is the mind set underlying it, which seems to have strong explanatory power for our current mess: there are too many poor people, and Epstein and his mates would like to get rid of us.

                      gjmG This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @cstross I wouldn't put anything past Epstein, but Gates has given enough evidence of somewhat-benevolent intentions that I'd at least _consider_ the possibility that he just picked a very bad way of saying "how do we get rid of _poverty_?".

                      I too would like a world in which there are no poor people, provided we can get there by making the currently-poor people not-poor and stopping new people becoming poor, rather than killing existing poor people and preventing anyone being born who might turn out poor.

                      (Of course there might be elements of both. It could be that Gates genuinely wants to eliminate poverty but some bit of his brain wants to do it because poor people are an untidy nuisance rather than to benefit those people, and sometimes that leaks out into his words, and all that could be true even if he wouldn't ever actually go for mass murder as the, er, final solution to the problem of poverty.)

                      Obligatory link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_4J4uor3JE

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                      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                        New blog entry: More in Sadness than in Anger: https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2026/02/more-in-sadness-than-in-anger.html

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                        @cstross and that’s why I’m an anarchist. System needs a reboot with a degaussing for good measure.

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                        • Angela MillerA Angela Miller

                          @cstross
                          I dream of new Nuremburg style trials and 'detention' for the Super Rich.
                          Take their stuff, their names and their freedom. Redistribute.

                          ElaineM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @Alternatecelt @cstross make them outlaw: confiscate their assets and rescind their human rights, make it an offence to associate with them and restrict their movements. I'd give them a monthly dole of food, clothes and secure accommodation, and ban access to communications. It's more than they'd give us.

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                          • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                            Footnote: the outcome of the Epstein/Gates email itself is immaterial—what's interesting is the mind set underlying it, which seems to have strong explanatory power for our current mess: there are too many poor people, and Epstein and his mates would like to get rid of us.

                            Walter van HolstW This user is from outside of this forum
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                            Walter van Holst
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                            @cstross So, Mitchell & Webb were prescient? https://youtu.be/s_4J4uor3JE

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                            • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                              New blog entry: More in Sadness than in Anger: https://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2026/02/more-in-sadness-than-in-anger.html

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                              trademark
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                              @cstross The problem is not the billionaires, in a democracy it's the most numerous who win, not the richest. The reason the left almost always loses is purely self-harm and splittism for instance: https://bsky.app/profile/georgemonbiot.bsky.social/post/3mfcdb62pp22r the left has been doing this to itself since the 1917 March revolution. Fix the left instead of going "booho billionaires rule both parties". Hitler himself won in large part because of "nach Hitler kommt wir" ideas of the communists.

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                              • David :SetouchiExplorer:D David :SetouchiExplorer:

                                @cstross Glad that more and more people realize that the oligarchy wants to kill us. I thought I was going crazy. But billion of deaths is consistent with their vision of a livable planet destabilized by an out-of-control climate.

                                ManniC This user is from outside of this forum
                                ManniC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                @David @cstross also: a colony of people slaving away on Mars before they can convert the complete solar system into energy to fuel exponential growth.
                                Still most people will think you are a raving, mouth-foaming conspiracy theorist when you inform them of the published intentions of those morons.

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                                • T trademark

                                  @cstross The problem is not the billionaires, in a democracy it's the most numerous who win, not the richest. The reason the left almost always loses is purely self-harm and splittism for instance: https://bsky.app/profile/georgemonbiot.bsky.social/post/3mfcdb62pp22r the left has been doing this to itself since the 1917 March revolution. Fix the left instead of going "booho billionaires rule both parties". Hitler himself won in large part because of "nach Hitler kommt wir" ideas of the communists.

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                                  trademark
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                                  @cstross why not study the countries where the moderate left actually won? E.g. Scandinavia, the moderates were very brutal in excluding the nutcases. Lots of bad blood on the left to this day.

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                                  • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                    Footnote: the outcome of the Epstein/Gates email itself is immaterial—what's interesting is the mind set underlying it, which seems to have strong explanatory power for our current mess: there are too many poor people, and Epstein and his mates would like to get rid of us.

                                    Svavar the NeurospicyS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    Svavar the Neurospicy
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                                    @cstross

                                    The fact that Gates wanted to give his wife STD medication without her knowledge tells you everything you need to know about Microsoft's and the tech industry's approach to consent.

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                                    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                      Footnote: the outcome of the Epstein/Gates email itself is immaterial—what's interesting is the mind set underlying it, which seems to have strong explanatory power for our current mess: there are too many poor people, and Epstein and his mates would like to get rid of us.

                                      GinevraCatG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      GinevraCat
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                                      @cstross And the thing to understand about being "poor", is that that includes everything up to the very tippy top of upper middle class!!

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                                      • T trademark

                                        @cstross The problem is not the billionaires, in a democracy it's the most numerous who win, not the richest. The reason the left almost always loses is purely self-harm and splittism for instance: https://bsky.app/profile/georgemonbiot.bsky.social/post/3mfcdb62pp22r the left has been doing this to itself since the 1917 March revolution. Fix the left instead of going "booho billionaires rule both parties". Hitler himself won in large part because of "nach Hitler kommt wir" ideas of the communists.

                                        Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        Charlie Stross
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                                        @trademark Democracy does not run on victory to the most numerous these days, it runs on victory to the most indoctrinated. Which goes with the money.

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                                        • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                                          Footnote: the outcome of the Epstein/Gates email itself is immaterial—what's interesting is the mind set underlying it, which seems to have strong explanatory power for our current mess: there are too many poor people, and Epstein and his mates would like to get rid of us.

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                                          HighlandLawyer
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                                          @cstross
                                          It is the intersection of the degrees of selfishness & foresightedness. If your level of selfishness is "the good of all mankind" you want to eliminate poverty by giving everyone enough food, accomodation, etc; if "me and my family" you get traditional aristocratic behaviour; if "me & nobody else" you treat everyone else as objects, which can be disposed of at your whim- mass disposal of the poor on a par with a neat close-cropped lawn.

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