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I was a child living in West Germany in the late 70s and early 80s.

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  • Tofu GolemT This user is from outside of this forum
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    I was a child living in West Germany in the late 70s and early 80s.

    I remember reading an interview with elderly Nazis and being shocked at how divorced from reality they still sounded. Their minds were still warped from propaganda viewed decades prior. The majority of their lives were lived without said propaganda, and they were still essentially insane.

    US citizens need to understand this. Germany shows us what is going to happen.

    Some of those Republicans will realize how wrong they…

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    • Tofu GolemT Tofu Golem

      I was a child living in West Germany in the late 70s and early 80s.

      I remember reading an interview with elderly Nazis and being shocked at how divorced from reality they still sounded. Their minds were still warped from propaganda viewed decades prior. The majority of their lives were lived without said propaganda, and they were still essentially insane.

      US citizens need to understand this. Germany shows us what is going to happen.

      Some of those Republicans will realize how wrong they…

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      Tofu GolemT This user is from outside of this forum
      Tofu GolemT This user is from outside of this forum
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      …were, but many—if not most—are never going to get better. They will never become sane. They will never stop being evil. They will never stop being civilization-destroying savages. They will never be decent human beings.

      People need to accept this.

      All you can do is cut them out of your life.

      I think the comparisons to cults and leaving religion are apt. Once an ideology attaches itself to one’s sense of self-worth, some simply cannot let go.

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      • Tofu GolemT Tofu Golem

        I was a child living in West Germany in the late 70s and early 80s.

        I remember reading an interview with elderly Nazis and being shocked at how divorced from reality they still sounded. Their minds were still warped from propaganda viewed decades prior. The majority of their lives were lived without said propaganda, and they were still essentially insane.

        US citizens need to understand this. Germany shows us what is going to happen.

        Some of those Republicans will realize how wrong they…

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        Weekend EditorW This user is from outside of this forum
        Weekend EditorW This user is from outside of this forum
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        @tofugolem

        Can you point me at something to read that will show me how the former Nazis were still delusional?

        I think I agree that this is probably the case, but I'm morbidly curious about seeing an example. (Feel free to advise me not to follow up on that curiosity for the sake of my sanity. 🙂

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          I was a child living in West Germany in the late 70s and early 80s.

          I remember reading an interview with elderly Nazis and being shocked at how divorced from reality they still sounded. Their minds were still warped from propaganda viewed decades prior. The majority of their lives were lived without said propaganda, and they were still essentially insane.

          US citizens need to understand this. Germany shows us what is going to happen.

          Some of those Republicans will realize how wrong they…

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          Vicente PerezV This user is from outside of this forum
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          @tofugolem @Gustodon I am acquainted with a number of republican folks. They are thrilled with how “well” things are going. As one of them recently told me, “the future is brighter than ever for America.”

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            @tofugolem @Gustodon I am acquainted with a number of republican folks. They are thrilled with how “well” things are going. As one of them recently told me, “the future is brighter than ever for America.”

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            @vpermar Those people have lost the thread.

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            • Tofu GolemT Tofu Golem

              I was a child living in West Germany in the late 70s and early 80s.

              I remember reading an interview with elderly Nazis and being shocked at how divorced from reality they still sounded. Their minds were still warped from propaganda viewed decades prior. The majority of their lives were lived without said propaganda, and they were still essentially insane.

              US citizens need to understand this. Germany shows us what is going to happen.

              Some of those Republicans will realize how wrong they…

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              David Mitchell :CApride:D This user is from outside of this forum
              David Mitchell :CApride:D This user is from outside of this forum
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              @tofugolem

              The solution to today’s times (here in Canada we have our own MapleMAGA) is not to somehow redeem the MAGA crowd, it’s to provide a vision and a path that convinces the half of the population that has been sitting on its hands to get up and be part of something better.

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              • Tofu GolemT Tofu Golem

                …were, but many—if not most—are never going to get better. They will never become sane. They will never stop being evil. They will never stop being civilization-destroying savages. They will never be decent human beings.

                People need to accept this.

                All you can do is cut them out of your life.

                I think the comparisons to cults and leaving religion are apt. Once an ideology attaches itself to one’s sense of self-worth, some simply cannot let go.

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                David Mitchell :CApride:D This user is from outside of this forum
                David Mitchell :CApride:D This user is from outside of this forum
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                @tofugolem

                I honestly think the most hopeful outcome for most of them is that they will move on to a different (but probably adjacent) cult that is less socially destructive, because the cultish patterns of thought do not go away easily.

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                • Tofu GolemT Tofu Golem

                  …were, but many—if not most—are never going to get better. They will never become sane. They will never stop being evil. They will never stop being civilization-destroying savages. They will never be decent human beings.

                  People need to accept this.

                  All you can do is cut them out of your life.

                  I think the comparisons to cults and leaving religion are apt. Once an ideology attaches itself to one’s sense of self-worth, some simply cannot let go.

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                  PapyrusBrigadeP This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @tofugolem Having followed news about the occupation of Minneapolis, I was shocked recently to read about Evangelical churches like Cities Church welcoming it, seeing ICE as righteous men fighting degeneracy.

                  https://baptistnews.com/article/lets-talk-about-how-cities-church-treats-women/

                  It's easy to reach for Nazis as comparison. But the US has such a long lineage of weaponizing a particular version of Christianity to create all manner of abuses. Slavery, Indigenous genocide, Iraq invasion as a crusade by "God's chosen nation", etc. Its hard to imagine that ever really being reckoned with.

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                  • Weekend EditorW Weekend Editor

                    @tofugolem

                    Can you point me at something to read that will show me how the former Nazis were still delusional?

                    I think I agree that this is probably the case, but I'm morbidly curious about seeing an example. (Feel free to advise me not to follow up on that curiosity for the sake of my sanity. 🙂

                    Tofu GolemT This user is from outside of this forum
                    Tofu GolemT This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @weekend_editor
                    I read the interview as a child in the late 70s or early 80s. I have no idea where to find a citation for that, nor am I interested in reading anymore interviews with elderly Nazis.

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                    • Tofu GolemT Tofu Golem

                      @weekend_editor
                      I read the interview as a child in the late 70s or early 80s. I have no idea where to find a citation for that, nor am I interested in reading anymore interviews with elderly Nazis.

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                      @tofugolem

                      Ok. No need to be re-traumatized (or bored)!

                      I'm fully capable of doing my own research. 🙂

                      I'm just curious about the persistence of cognitive injury from exposure to propaganda & disinformation, based on what seemed to be rapid personality changes I saw in people around COVID-19 vaccines, and now Trump.

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                      • PapyrusBrigadeP PapyrusBrigade

                        @tofugolem Having followed news about the occupation of Minneapolis, I was shocked recently to read about Evangelical churches like Cities Church welcoming it, seeing ICE as righteous men fighting degeneracy.

                        https://baptistnews.com/article/lets-talk-about-how-cities-church-treats-women/

                        It's easy to reach for Nazis as comparison. But the US has such a long lineage of weaponizing a particular version of Christianity to create all manner of abuses. Slavery, Indigenous genocide, Iraq invasion as a crusade by "God's chosen nation", etc. Its hard to imagine that ever really being reckoned with.

                        A Flock of BeaglesB This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @PapyrusBrigade @tofugolem

                        none of this would be possible without the Catholic Church's Doctrine of Discovery. nobody would care about the year 1492 if that was never a thing.

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