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  • StevenSavage (he/him)S StevenSavage (he/him)

    Trump's pre-ICE surge activites had a lot of pushback but also a lot of elite failure. Minnesota brought to stark contrast the simple truth - people realize Trump, the GOP, and the Project 2025 goons will kill them if they feel like it. It crystalized everything.

    People didn't cower in fear, they acted Because fear in this case won't save you if some drunk guy with a badge decides to unload his gun into you. There is no out for anyone. Resistance or nothing.

    Trump is constantly terrible, each shitty thing amplifying the other. Abandon the working class, cut science, etc. Trump has pretty much assaulted our system and the Republican party (and the media and even some Dems) seem fine with it. We've been told nothing matters, shut up and take it.

    But nothing will protect you from Trump and his message board incels. So resistance is the only choice again.

    5/

    #ice #resistance #elitefailure

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    Then there's the Epstein files.

    Epstein files play into several narratives - and not just the Qanon BS. This is about rich, powerful people who treat us as toys. It plays into the narrative that Trump is just for billionaires and oligarchs.

    This is what Cory Doctrow calls "The Epstein Class" a term we should ALL use.
    https://pluralistic.net/2026/02/09/sloppy-steve/

    How bad is it? "A known pedophile billionaire is sending masked troops to kidnap immigrant children in an American City" is a thing you can say legitimately.

    6/

    #politics #epstein

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    • StevenSavage (he/him)S StevenSavage (he/him)

      Then there's the Epstein files.

      Epstein files play into several narratives - and not just the Qanon BS. This is about rich, powerful people who treat us as toys. It plays into the narrative that Trump is just for billionaires and oligarchs.

      This is what Cory Doctrow calls "The Epstein Class" a term we should ALL use.
      https://pluralistic.net/2026/02/09/sloppy-steve/

      How bad is it? "A known pedophile billionaire is sending masked troops to kidnap immigrant children in an American City" is a thing you can say legitimately.

      6/

      #politics #epstein

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      The conspiracy theories of the past decade act as a scaffolding and an amplifier. MAGA has to cope with the fact their conspiracy theories were more applicable to their own "side" - which makes it easier to get disillusioned, etc. For people targeted by the conspiracy theories, being able to say "no, you" is satisfying and enraging but also clarifying.

      From the violence to the oligarchs, people are horrified. Legitimately. Viscerally. From their neighbors vanishing to their jobs being cut they can SEE who's doing it to them. This rage isn't going to go away in a midterm, and anyone acting like it is in for a surprise.

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      #democracy #politics #conspiracy #epstein

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      • StevenSavage (he/him)S StevenSavage (he/him)

        The conspiracy theories of the past decade act as a scaffolding and an amplifier. MAGA has to cope with the fact their conspiracy theories were more applicable to their own "side" - which makes it easier to get disillusioned, etc. For people targeted by the conspiracy theories, being able to say "no, you" is satisfying and enraging but also clarifying.

        From the violence to the oligarchs, people are horrified. Legitimately. Viscerally. From their neighbors vanishing to their jobs being cut they can SEE who's doing it to them. This rage isn't going to go away in a midterm, and anyone acting like it is in for a surprise.

        7/

        #democracy #politics #conspiracy #epstein

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        So my thesis on what was missed in politics was:

        * The underlying network of groups, history, and ideas that allowed for the current resistance. We just didn't see it because it didn't activate as fast as it could, our news sucks, and people weren't looking.
        * That these changes are extremely deep, driven by confirmation of worst fears and feelings of betrayal and they aren't going to fade but will deepen and lead to action.

        And like an immune reaction, this makes permanent changes to the system. The "antibodies" have learned. I also think people aren't ready for how much this country could change when a significant amount of people assume The System is against them and is happy to kill them.

        8/

        #democracy #resistance #USpol

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        • StevenSavage (he/him)S StevenSavage (he/him)

          So my thesis on what was missed in politics was:

          * The underlying network of groups, history, and ideas that allowed for the current resistance. We just didn't see it because it didn't activate as fast as it could, our news sucks, and people weren't looking.
          * That these changes are extremely deep, driven by confirmation of worst fears and feelings of betrayal and they aren't going to fade but will deepen and lead to action.

          And like an immune reaction, this makes permanent changes to the system. The "antibodies" have learned. I also think people aren't ready for how much this country could change when a significant amount of people assume The System is against them and is happy to kill them.

          8/

          #democracy #resistance #USpol

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          We see this not readiness in cases from the GOP stunned at their loss of votes to milquetoast comms from some Democrats. People are activated, are not going back, have changed their worldviews, and are different from whom they were a year ago.

          The Republicans are having their own wrestling match, and I don't see a unified post-Trump GOP. We may never see a unified GOP. The Democrats can welcome an increasingly activist population or have it try to take over.

          And consider how people regard various public figures, churches, orgs, etc. differently now.

          9/

          #politics #democracy #uspol

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            We see this not readiness in cases from the GOP stunned at their loss of votes to milquetoast comms from some Democrats. People are activated, are not going back, have changed their worldviews, and are different from whom they were a year ago.

            The Republicans are having their own wrestling match, and I don't see a unified post-Trump GOP. We may never see a unified GOP. The Democrats can welcome an increasingly activist population or have it try to take over.

            And consider how people regard various public figures, churches, orgs, etc. differently now.

            9/

            #politics #democracy #uspol

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            However this anger is only going to get worse. We've seen people react to the Good and Pretti shootings, but we know the conditions in detention camps. We've heard what it's like for the children. That's what we KNOW.

            What we don't know is FAR worse, especially with a Ghoul like Miller and his message board madness having Trump's ear.

            When those stories break out, and they will? Look out.

            10/

            #politics #democracy #uspol

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            • StevenSavage (he/him)S StevenSavage (he/him)

              However this anger is only going to get worse. We've seen people react to the Good and Pretti shootings, but we know the conditions in detention camps. We've heard what it's like for the children. That's what we KNOW.

              What we don't know is FAR worse, especially with a Ghoul like Miller and his message board madness having Trump's ear.

              When those stories break out, and they will? Look out.

              10/

              #politics #democracy #uspol

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              So this is where we are. A potential resistance built on structures we haven't appreciated, delayed but not stopped by elite failure and a complicit media, and fueled by a sea change in attitudes and anger that isn't going away.

              How many tens of millions of people feel they rightfully in a struggle for their very lives? They won't give up. They also aren't going to feel very forgiving or want to go back to a normal that betrayed them.

              The GOP is trying to cope with what they've wrought, and the best they can do is a mix of hiding, lying, and hoping to steal the election (ensuring of course even more anger towards them).

              11/

              #politics #democracy #uspol

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                So this is where we are. A potential resistance built on structures we haven't appreciated, delayed but not stopped by elite failure and a complicit media, and fueled by a sea change in attitudes and anger that isn't going away.

                How many tens of millions of people feel they rightfully in a struggle for their very lives? They won't give up. They also aren't going to feel very forgiving or want to go back to a normal that betrayed them.

                The GOP is trying to cope with what they've wrought, and the best they can do is a mix of hiding, lying, and hoping to steal the election (ensuring of course even more anger towards them).

                11/

                #politics #democracy #uspol

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                Democrats have faired better but the anger towards leadership is intense, and there are primaries coming. To paraphrase a few conversation, the future of the Democratic party is either letting in more progressive/activist forces, or risk the party being taken over, the past labels and structures being worn atop something new and vital.

                And thats what I think we missed - the structures that were in place and grew, and the sheer depth of these shifts in politics and psychology. And no, I don't think I caught it all, just a theory.

                It's an immune reaction and changes are permanent. How those changes go is the question.

                12/

                #politics #democracy #uspol

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                • StevenSavage (he/him)S StevenSavage (he/him)

                  Democrats have faired better but the anger towards leadership is intense, and there are primaries coming. To paraphrase a few conversation, the future of the Democratic party is either letting in more progressive/activist forces, or risk the party being taken over, the past labels and structures being worn atop something new and vital.

                  And thats what I think we missed - the structures that were in place and grew, and the sheer depth of these shifts in politics and psychology. And no, I don't think I caught it all, just a theory.

                  It's an immune reaction and changes are permanent. How those changes go is the question.

                  12/

                  #politics #democracy #uspol

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                  So there's my thoughts, yes there's a lot we're missing in poiitics.

                  I suspect Epstein anger is only going to grow and add to this. Investigations are happening around the world but not HERE. The story is not going away. People here are going to wonder why Poland an other countries are active on this and we aren't.

                  #politics #uspol #epstein #epsteinclass

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                  • StevenSavage (he/him)S StevenSavage (he/him)

                    Then there's the Epstein files.

                    Epstein files play into several narratives - and not just the Qanon BS. This is about rich, powerful people who treat us as toys. It plays into the narrative that Trump is just for billionaires and oligarchs.

                    This is what Cory Doctrow calls "The Epstein Class" a term we should ALL use.
                    https://pluralistic.net/2026/02/09/sloppy-steve/

                    How bad is it? "A known pedophile billionaire is sending masked troops to kidnap immigrant children in an American City" is a thing you can say legitimately.

                    6/

                    #politics #epstein

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                    @StevenSavage

                    "...This is what Cory Doctrow calls "The Epstein Class" a term we should ALL use.
                    https://
                    pluralistic.net/2026/02/09/sloppy-steve/

                    How bad is it? "A known pedophile billionaire is sending masked troops to kidnap immigrant children in an American City" is a thing you can say legitimately."

                    #EpsteinClass
                    #Epstein
                    #EpsteinFiles

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                    • StevenSavage (he/him)S StevenSavage (he/him)

                      Democrats have faired better but the anger towards leadership is intense, and there are primaries coming. To paraphrase a few conversation, the future of the Democratic party is either letting in more progressive/activist forces, or risk the party being taken over, the past labels and structures being worn atop something new and vital.

                      And thats what I think we missed - the structures that were in place and grew, and the sheer depth of these shifts in politics and psychology. And no, I don't think I caught it all, just a theory.

                      It's an immune reaction and changes are permanent. How those changes go is the question.

                      12/

                      #politics #democracy #uspol

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                      @StevenSavage

                      "the future of the Democratic party is either letting in more progressive/activist forces, or risk the party being taken over"

                      I don't think the alternative risk is likely that the party is taken over, but rather than that it will forever become irrelevant and that Fascism will be locked in.

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