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  3. I would really, really prefer that the regime does *not* successfully manage to rig elections, BUT

I would really, really prefer that the regime does *not* successfully manage to rig elections, BUT

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  • ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
    ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
    Artemis
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    I would really, really prefer that the regime does *not* successfully manage to rig elections, BUT

    Please be aware, that would not be the end of hope. Not by a long shot. In fact, that's a dangerous & precarious situation they are placing themselves in, so you know their feeling weak. They aren't able to actually generate support for what they are doing. They are fearful.

    Beyond that though, just in general, we were never going to be allowed to vote away our chains anyway. Voting won't do it.

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    • ArtemisA Artemis

      I would really, really prefer that the regime does *not* successfully manage to rig elections, BUT

      Please be aware, that would not be the end of hope. Not by a long shot. In fact, that's a dangerous & precarious situation they are placing themselves in, so you know their feeling weak. They aren't able to actually generate support for what they are doing. They are fearful.

      Beyond that though, just in general, we were never going to be allowed to vote away our chains anyway. Voting won't do it.

      ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
      ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
      Artemis
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      I'm not saying it's nothing to worry about.

      It's *definitely* something to worry about.

      I'm saying that it's not like that somehow defeats us. It's not like "it's all over" if that happens.

      Shit's likely to get pretty bad before it gets better, but that's not the same thing as losing.

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      • ArtemisA Artemis

        I'm not saying it's nothing to worry about.

        It's *definitely* something to worry about.

        I'm saying that it's not like that somehow defeats us. It's not like "it's all over" if that happens.

        Shit's likely to get pretty bad before it gets better, but that's not the same thing as losing.

        Daniel LakelandD This user is from outside of this forum
        Daniel LakelandD This user is from outside of this forum
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        @artemis

        I know what my grandparents did to end fascism. I fully expect some of that gonna have to go down. I'm not happy about it.

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        • ArtemisA Artemis

          I'm not saying it's nothing to worry about.

          It's *definitely* something to worry about.

          I'm saying that it's not like that somehow defeats us. It's not like "it's all over" if that happens.

          Shit's likely to get pretty bad before it gets better, but that's not the same thing as losing.

          ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
          ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
          Artemis
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          Their desperation betrays them though. If they were strong, if they had real backing & support, they would not be desperately trying to rig elections in the most loud & obvious ways.

          That's not strength.

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          • Daniel LakelandD Daniel Lakeland

            @artemis

            I know what my grandparents did to end fascism. I fully expect some of that gonna have to go down. I'm not happy about it.

            ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
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            @dlakelan
            Nor should any of us be.

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            • ArtemisA Artemis

              Their desperation betrays them though. If they were strong, if they had real backing & support, they would not be desperately trying to rig elections in the most loud & obvious ways.

              That's not strength.

              ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
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              There is always a balance to strike here in communicating about this: it can both be true that they have a lot of power to inflict massive harm & do unbelievable violence (& it is true) & that they are really disorganized & incompetent & only getting worse.

              They are cutting themselves off at the legs, firing & driving off everyone in pretty much every department of the federal government who is competent & experienced.

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              • ArtemisA Artemis

                They are fragile, & desperate, & not actually good at predicting what people will do.

                They are pretty shit at a lot of stuff.

                Minneapolis is the perfect example of these two truths.

                The magnitude of the violence is horrific. The unchecked brutality is unbelievable.

                AND

                It is not going as planned at all. This was supposed to be a showing of strength for them.

                ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
                ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
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                It was also supposed to make what's left of their base feel good, but it's mostly making them have to deal with more & more uncomfortable confrontations.

                By now the MAGAs were supposed to be sick of winning, but instead their investments are in the toilet & their children won't speak to them & they are just fucking hated. They are getting quieter & quieter & quieter, at least around here.

                Minneapolis does not make them feel like winners. It makes them feel hated & unwanted.

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                • ArtemisA Artemis

                  There is always a balance to strike here in communicating about this: it can both be true that they have a lot of power to inflict massive harm & do unbelievable violence (& it is true) & that they are really disorganized & incompetent & only getting worse.

                  They are cutting themselves off at the legs, firing & driving off everyone in pretty much every department of the federal government who is competent & experienced.

                  ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
                  ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
                  Artemis
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                  They are fragile, & desperate, & not actually good at predicting what people will do.

                  They are pretty shit at a lot of stuff.

                  Minneapolis is the perfect example of these two truths.

                  The magnitude of the violence is horrific. The unchecked brutality is unbelievable.

                  AND

                  It is not going as planned at all. This was supposed to be a showing of strength for them.

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                  • ArtemisA Artemis

                    Their desperation betrays them though. If they were strong, if they had real backing & support, they would not be desperately trying to rig elections in the most loud & obvious ways.

                    That's not strength.

                    The TenuousOrder :NDpride:T This user is from outside of this forum
                    The TenuousOrder :NDpride:T This user is from outside of this forum
                    The TenuousOrder :NDpride:
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                    @artemis "A poll says 60% support their actions actually, even liberals" cool. show me the polling data, show me who did this poll

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                    • ArtemisA Artemis

                      It was also supposed to make what's left of their base feel good, but it's mostly making them have to deal with more & more uncomfortable confrontations.

                      By now the MAGAs were supposed to be sick of winning, but instead their investments are in the toilet & their children won't speak to them & they are just fucking hated. They are getting quieter & quieter & quieter, at least around here.

                      Minneapolis does not make them feel like winners. It makes them feel hated & unwanted.

                      ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
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                      My husband works at an auto parts store in Wisconsin, & he hasn't seen a single MAGA hat in his store for nearly a year at this point.

                      A lot of folks who used to be loud & proud MAGA are shutting up about it. Wearing a MAGA hat does NOT get the reactions they want.

                      Again, they were supposed to have won so much at this point that they would be sick of winning. That was the promise.

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                      • ArtemisA Artemis

                        My husband works at an auto parts store in Wisconsin, & he hasn't seen a single MAGA hat in his store for nearly a year at this point.

                        A lot of folks who used to be loud & proud MAGA are shutting up about it. Wearing a MAGA hat does NOT get the reactions they want.

                        Again, they were supposed to have won so much at this point that they would be sick of winning. That was the promise.

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                        @artemis A lot of these fascists, and they are fascists, even if they don't know it, seem to have genuinely believed that if Trump won an election everyone would have to be nice to them, apologize for calling them Nazis, and accept their Nazi propaganda as fact.

                        And they seem pretty upset, that it's not working out that way because "fucking duh?"

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                        • ArtemisA Artemis

                          It was also supposed to make what's left of their base feel good, but it's mostly making them have to deal with more & more uncomfortable confrontations.

                          By now the MAGAs were supposed to be sick of winning, but instead their investments are in the toilet & their children won't speak to them & they are just fucking hated. They are getting quieter & quieter & quieter, at least around here.

                          Minneapolis does not make them feel like winners. It makes them feel hated & unwanted.

                          the elder seaE This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @artemis I'm really curious about how these groupings go. Some people will probably find insular communities, but I wonder how long it can last? They just aren't functional in this day and age. And those who are still "out" with their hats are probably finding it less and less the way they wanted.

                          Oh well, wish absolute hell on the lot of them.

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                          • AnarchoNinaWritesA AnarchoNinaWrites

                            @artemis A lot of these fascists, and they are fascists, even if they don't know it, seem to have genuinely believed that if Trump won an election everyone would have to be nice to them, apologize for calling them Nazis, and accept their Nazi propaganda as fact.

                            And they seem pretty upset, that it's not working out that way because "fucking duh?"

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                            @AnarchoNinaWrites @artemis
                            A good reminder that the venn diagram of modern conservative ideas and reality is a pair of binoculars.

                            Conservative thought is so bizarrely ancient and unrealistic. It's like they've somehow never learned a damn thing from any sort of interaction with humans.

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                            • ArtemisA Artemis

                              Their desperation betrays them though. If they were strong, if they had real backing & support, they would not be desperately trying to rig elections in the most loud & obvious ways.

                              That's not strength.

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                              @artemis THEY’RE GETTING WIPED IN THE MIDTERMS AND THEY KNOW IT. NO ONE FUCKING LIKES THEM.

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                              • Daniel LakelandD Daniel Lakeland

                                @artemis

                                I know what my grandparents did to end fascism. I fully expect some of that gonna have to go down. I'm not happy about it.

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                                @artemis @dlakelan we have to go farther because it clearly didn't work the First time. This time, Tue liberal enablers have to be treated as just as bad as the fascists because they helped them get into power by normalizing their evil and attacking more substantial opposition more than ICE

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                                • AnarchoNinaWritesA AnarchoNinaWrites

                                  @artemis A lot of these fascists, and they are fascists, even if they don't know it, seem to have genuinely believed that if Trump won an election everyone would have to be nice to them, apologize for calling them Nazis, and accept their Nazi propaganda as fact.

                                  And they seem pretty upset, that it's not working out that way because "fucking duh?"

                                  ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
                                  ArtemisA This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @AnarchoNinaWrites
                                  Astonishingly yes, I think that was literally true. They thought all they needed was to elect him in 2024, & the whole culture would just suddenly accept & respect & admire them.

                                  Ridiculous that they believed an election could do that, but we know these people aren't thinking logically.

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