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I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is.

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  • bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

    I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is. It is not typing in lines of code.

    BlackIkeEagleB This user is from outside of this forum
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    @bert_hubert <sarcasm>Are you not happy with progress? Just architect something and the LLM will even review itself. We no longer need those annoying "why this, why that" people anymore. Move fast and .... who knows</sarcasm>

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    • bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

      I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is. It is not typing in lines of code.

      AnthonyA This user is from outside of this forum
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      @bert_hubert@eupolicy.social This really makes me wonder whether the decades of constant blog posts about method, such as software craftsmanship, *-driven design, agile, extreme programming, etc etc etc (event sourcing, the hexagonal architecture, etc etc etc etc etc dear lord there are so many), were all, ultimately, not serious. If a single technological advance coupled with hype and corporate pressure is enough to convince people to throw all of that out, how serious could it have been, really?
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      • bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

        I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is. It is not typing in lines of code.

        Stefan GastN This user is from outside of this forum
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        @bert_hubert Programmers convert problems into code.
        Unfortunately, programmers also convert code into problems.

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        • bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

          I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is. It is not typing in lines of code.

          andrybakA This user is from outside of this forum
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          @bert_hubert that's right, it is actually mostly typing in Slack and MS Teams messages /joke

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          • ROTOPE~1 ⭐️R ROTOPE~1 ⭐️

            @bert_hubert it is also indenting lines of code

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            @rotopenguin with tabs or spaces though? 😜

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            • AnthonyA Anthony
              @bert_hubert@eupolicy.social This really makes me wonder whether the decades of constant blog posts about method, such as software craftsmanship, *-driven design, agile, extreme programming, etc etc etc (event sourcing, the hexagonal architecture, etc etc etc etc etc dear lord there are so many), were all, ultimately, not serious. If a single technological advance coupled with hype and corporate pressure is enough to convince people to throw all of that out, how serious could it have been, really?
              Michael SimonsR This user is from outside of this forum
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              @abucci @bert_hubert lovely point. And I’m not saying you are wrong. Only few of the proponents of the things mentioned did not pivot the last two conference seasons.

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              • ROTOPE~1 ⭐️R ROTOPE~1 ⭐️

                @bert_hubert it is also indenting lines of code

                NymnympseudonymN This user is from outside of this forum
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                @rotopenguin @bert_hubert Found the Python and Fortran enjoyer

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                • BlackIkeEagleB BlackIkeEagle

                  @bert_hubert <sarcasm>Are you not happy with progress? Just architect something and the LLM will even review itself. We no longer need those annoying "why this, why that" people anymore. Move fast and .... who knows</sarcasm>

                  NymnympseudonymN This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert all joking aside, most large software companies now have automation pipelines that do exactly that: take a Bug off the queue, propose a fix, compile, run unit tests, run regression suites, review and comment the implementation, write up the fix make the patch ready for review.

                  Sure they only cleanly fix a fraction of the bugs. But that fraction is increasing.

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                  • NymnympseudonymN Nymnympseudonym

                    @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert all joking aside, most large software companies now have automation pipelines that do exactly that: take a Bug off the queue, propose a fix, compile, run unit tests, run regression suites, review and comment the implementation, write up the fix make the patch ready for review.

                    Sure they only cleanly fix a fraction of the bugs. But that fraction is increasing.

                    Stumpy The MuttS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @Nymnympseudonymm @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert Are the bugs that trivial? The kind I run into are "router drops packets every 55 seconds when packets per second exceeds 900"

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                    • Stumpy The MuttS Stumpy The Mutt

                      @Nymnympseudonymm @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert Are the bugs that trivial? The kind I run into are "router drops packets every 55 seconds when packets per second exceeds 900"

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                      @StumpyTheMutt @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert typical example: program dumps core under crazy ass stress coverage test

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                      • Stumpy The MuttS Stumpy The Mutt

                        @Nymnympseudonymm @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert Are the bugs that trivial? The kind I run into are "router drops packets every 55 seconds when packets per second exceeds 900"

                        NymnympseudonymN This user is from outside of this forum
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                        @StumpyTheMutt @BlackIkeEagle @bert_hubert and whether your packet drops can be repro'd, what skills you have written up, how good your design docs are

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                        • bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                          I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is. It is not typing in lines of code.

                          Digital Mark Ξ» β˜•οΈ πŸ•Ή πŸ‘½M This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @bert_hubert Software engineering maybe isn't LOC, but it does require knowing vaguely what's happening in a program you claim you wrote.

                          I'll stick to writing lines of code.

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                          • bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦B bert hubert πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                            I am losing it at how many of my peers have forgotten what software engineering is. It is not typing in lines of code.

                            JoshJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @bert_hubert Pfft no. It's Jira. <runs>

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