Also, given recent events: I know that Matrix is far from perfect but please fedi for a brief moment can we stop constantly hating it publicly???

Also, given recent events: I know that Matrix is far from perfect but please fedi for a brief moment can we stop constantly hating it publicly???

While every (open) option for a platform to move to is a mess, Matrix is probably the least terrible option for people who have been using Discord.

@noisytoot From my experience, the issues haven't even been with Matrix but rather the official implementations. I don't use Element anymore, nor do I use Synapse anymore... and the problems just went away for me.

@hexaheximal@mstdn.social I use Nheko and Conduit and I have had plenty of problems. For instance:

• Currently I can't see any quotes in Nheko
• Nheko sometimes does [crypto] [critical] failed to restore olm account: unpickle: BAD_ACCOUNT_KEY and loses its OLM keys
• E2EE is always broken and I cannot get Nheko and Element to verify each other
• Heisenbridge can't get displaynames for non-local users after they've joined so all displaynames appear to IRC-bridged users as an empty string unless they joined since the bridge restarted
• Sometimes room/space joins appear take too long/appear to never happen and you need to restart the client or re-log-in due to a race condition in the database of conduit derivatives (I also had this issue with Cinny and Continuwuity on bundernet.org)
• Messages taking 10+ minutes to arrive sometimes
• Conduit sometimes starts taking 10+ minutes to respond to requests so they time out and it needs to be restarted
• Conduit/RocksDB generally uses too much RAM (multiple gigabytes, compared to prosody which is using only a few megabytes)

@noisytoot That's honestly quite odd. I use a lot of the same things but just don't have those issues.

Although, notable exception: Joining rooms being broken and getting stuck on loading. That is a problem that I have been *constantly* dealing with. Invites are also similarly broken.

@noisytoot Despite that though, from what I have seen I do believe that continuwuity is doing a really good job of making Matrix at least slightly less of a mess - it's *certainly* better than Synapse.

Also, given recent events: I know that Matrix is far from perfect but please fedi for a brief moment can we stop constantly hating it publicly???

While every (open) option for a platform to move to is a mess, Matrix is probably the least terrible option for people who have been using Discord.

Also, given recent events: I know that Matrix is far from perfect but please fedi for a brief moment can we stop constantly hating it publicly???

While every (open) option for a platform to move to is a mess, Matrix is probably the least terrible option for people who have been using Discord.

@hexaheximal

How's matrix's moderation tools?

There's someone who likes posting gore to public matrix and xmpp channels, some of the most maintained xmpp clients implemented some moderation tools where an admin can delete individual posts or everything from some account.

It unfortunately only works with some clients, but I pretty quickly learned to switch to the clients that do support moderation.

I thought matrix uses a blockchain/git like synchronization algorithm, so I think deleting messages is harder to do.

(Though on the plus side, If you want the message history it does get synced between servers and rooms can stay up if one server goes down.)

For what it's worth, I kind of think from the xmpp space the client that's got the best chance to be called discord like is movim.

https://movim.eu/

@hexaheximal@mstdn.social I use Nheko and Conduit and I have had plenty of problems. For instance:

• Currently I can't see any quotes in Nheko
• Nheko sometimes does [crypto] [critical] failed to restore olm account: unpickle: BAD_ACCOUNT_KEY and loses its OLM keys
• E2EE is always broken and I cannot get Nheko and Element to verify each other
• Heisenbridge can't get displaynames for non-local users after they've joined so all displaynames appear to IRC-bridged users as an empty string unless they joined since the bridge restarted
• Sometimes room/space joins appear take too long/appear to never happen and you need to restart the client or re-log-in due to a race condition in the database of conduit derivatives (I also had this issue with Cinny and Continuwuity on bundernet.org)
• Messages taking 10+ minutes to arrive sometimes
• Conduit sometimes starts taking 10+ minutes to respond to requests so they time out and it needs to be restarted
• Conduit/RocksDB generally uses too much RAM (multiple gigabytes, compared to prosody which is using only a few megabytes)

@noisytoot From my experience, the issues haven't even been with Matrix but rather the official implementations. I don't use Element anymore, nor do I use Synapse anymore... and the problems just went away for me.

@hexaheximal @noisytoot I think the main issue is people comparing the UX in encrypted rooms with other messaging app in clear text.

I have often seen "I have problems to decrypt stuff with matrix, I think it is better to use [insert unencrypted IM app]". But they are 2 different use cases

Honestly, I find that matrix for public rooms (so, like discord) works well

@noisytoot @hexaheximal Well, Conduit has barely been maintained for a couple of years now. Tuwunel is the official successor (at least that's what they claim on their website). I'm having a better experience with it than conduit, that's for sure.

@hexaheximal @noisytoot Recent versions of the official apps have finally fix most of decryption failure. I haven't seen one for a moment now. But that meme will be hard to forget