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  3. I think the thing that makes me saddest about this whole “use an LLM to generate code” thing is that many of my heroes are no longer my heroes.

I think the thing that makes me saddest about this whole “use an LLM to generate code” thing is that many of my heroes are no longer my heroes.

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  • Badly-read literary snobR Badly-read literary snob

    @rzeta0 @samir if you let me, I think using these things as a writer may use a tarot deck is OK. These fields are creative by nature, so there’s no harm reaching for them if needed. But suddenly they are just another tool. Not a tool to rule them all

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    @RosaCtrl @rzeta0 @samir

    I mean, Deepmind’s Alphafold won the literal Nobel Prize in Chemistry, to universal agreement?

    So Terence Tao and others exploring Deepmind’s ANNs for other sciences seems like a pretty obvious thing to do.

    It’s not that all ANN’s became bad just because LLMs hallucinate.

    And yes, the key difference is that in Science/Math you can have automated and/or experimental checking of results, unlike for code security, the statistically average Redditor, or MechaHitler

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      @RosaCtrl @rzeta0 @samir

      I mean, Deepmind’s Alphafold won the literal Nobel Prize in Chemistry, to universal agreement?

      So Terence Tao and others exploring Deepmind’s ANNs for other sciences seems like a pretty obvious thing to do.

      It’s not that all ANN’s became bad just because LLMs hallucinate.

      And yes, the key difference is that in Science/Math you can have automated and/or experimental checking of results, unlike for code security, the statistically average Redditor, or MechaHitler

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      @Akshay @RosaCtrl @samir

      yes, I think formal verification sets this apart

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        @samir
        Simple. It's Anil Dash. He's nothing if not unreliable inconsistent.

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        • lizzy ☭ :heart_lesbian_diagonal2: :cuwu:L lizzy ☭ :heart_lesbian_diagonal2: :cuwu:
          @samir rob pike is really really against it
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          @lizzy @samir Does he still work for Google, the famously anti-AI company?

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          • Daniel TemmeD Daniel Temme

            @samir @bodil @janl haha. ESR. From cathedral and bazaar to "arming pilots would have prevented 9/11" was a good learning experience to not be too generous with respect for random strangers.

            I feel old now.

            Edit: the amount of completely useless trivia I have in my head though

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            @dtemme
            ESR was trying to convince a bunch of us to go shooting with him at Linux Expo or whatever it was, pre-911. A handful of Canadians. He just couldn't understand how we could live without The Freedoms.

            Not 15 minutes before that, RMS got angry at some guys that photoshopped his head onto a Star Wars poster ad R2D2.

            Didn't even take sexpest stories to kill them in my eyes.

            @samir @bodil @janl

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            • The Orange ThemeT The Orange Theme

              @lizzy @samir Does he still work for Google, the famously anti-AI company?

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              @theorangetheme @samir first of all, trying to blame workers for their employer is a dead end and a reversal of responsibility. have some class consciousness.

              in any case, we don't know if he still works at google, but there are speculations about him having quit a while ago. he had a very public and explicit crashout against AI shit.
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              • lizzy ☭ :heart_lesbian_diagonal2: :cuwu:L lizzy ☭ :heart_lesbian_diagonal2: :cuwu:
                @theorangetheme @samir first of all, trying to blame workers for their employer is a dead end and a reversal of responsibility. have some class consciousness.

                in any case, we don't know if he still works at google, but there are speculations about him having quit a while ago. he had a very public and explicit crashout against AI shit.
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                @lizzy @samir Nobody has to work for Google.

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                • The Orange ThemeT The Orange Theme

                  @lizzy @samir Nobody has to work for Google.

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                  @theorangetheme @samir it is never a worker's responsibility to quit their job, throw away their career, abandon their colleagues and the projects they're involved in, or risk unemployment just because bourgeois investors have turned the corporation into an unethical hellhole. working class people already overwhelmingly suffer the disastrous consequences of these decisions. the burden is not on them, and I will die on this hill.
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                  • xinit ☕ / 🗑‍🔥X xinit ☕ / 🗑‍🔥

                    @dtemme
                    ESR was trying to convince a bunch of us to go shooting with him at Linux Expo or whatever it was, pre-911. A handful of Canadians. He just couldn't understand how we could live without The Freedoms.

                    Not 15 minutes before that, RMS got angry at some guys that photoshopped his head onto a Star Wars poster ad R2D2.

                    Didn't even take sexpest stories to kill them in my eyes.

                    @samir @bodil @janl

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                    @xinit @samir @bodil @janl thanks for sharing that. That is pretty funny though

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                    • Jan Lehnardt :couchdb:J This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @samir …if his job depends on it and all that. I unsubbed the RSS now.

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