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The slop huckster's dilemma:

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  • Christine Lemmer-WebberC This user is from outside of this forum
    Christine Lemmer-WebberC This user is from outside of this forum
    Christine Lemmer-Webber
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    The slop huckster's dilemma:

    "AI assisted tools are powerful but they should only be used by experts to work on things they're already experts in"

    AND

    It's hard to build expertise without going through the hard problems yourself, and the human brain is not conditioned to go through the hard things when there is a magical lever you could just pull that mostly does it for you

    Christine Lemmer-WebberC Gordon J HoltslanderP Shane CelisS Chris-EvelynC Ken ButlerN 7 Replies Last reply
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    • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

      The slop huckster's dilemma:

      "AI assisted tools are powerful but they should only be used by experts to work on things they're already experts in"

      AND

      It's hard to build expertise without going through the hard problems yourself, and the human brain is not conditioned to go through the hard things when there is a magical lever you could just pull that mostly does it for you

      Christine Lemmer-WebberC This user is from outside of this forum
      Christine Lemmer-WebberC This user is from outside of this forum
      Christine Lemmer-Webber
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      #2

      Another contradiction: I also see people saying both "there are a lot of errors sure, which is why I only use it on things I'm already an expert in" AND "AI really helps me explore new fields I don't know about"

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      • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

        Another contradiction: I also see people saying both "there are a lot of errors sure, which is why I only use it on things I'm already an expert in" AND "AI really helps me explore new fields I don't know about"

        Riley S. FaelanR This user is from outside of this forum
        Riley S. FaelanR This user is from outside of this forum
        Riley S. Faelan
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        @cwebber So now you know which kind of cognitive style tends to get people caught in the quicksand slop the fastest.

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        • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

          The slop huckster's dilemma:

          "AI assisted tools are powerful but they should only be used by experts to work on things they're already experts in"

          AND

          It's hard to build expertise without going through the hard problems yourself, and the human brain is not conditioned to go through the hard things when there is a magical lever you could just pull that mostly does it for you

          Gordon J HoltslanderP This user is from outside of this forum
          Gordon J HoltslanderP This user is from outside of this forum
          Gordon J Holtslander
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          @cwebber an expert becomes one by making every mistake, understanding every failure by experiencing it and finding the short-comings, bad assumptions, poor logic ..learning

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          • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

            The slop huckster's dilemma:

            "AI assisted tools are powerful but they should only be used by experts to work on things they're already experts in"

            AND

            It's hard to build expertise without going through the hard problems yourself, and the human brain is not conditioned to go through the hard things when there is a magical lever you could just pull that mostly does it for you

            Shane CelisS This user is from outside of this forum
            Shane CelisS This user is from outside of this forum
            Shane Celis
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            @cwebber “In a world of bullshit jobs, we figured a bullshit generator could save us some trouble. And it looked like it did… at first.”

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            • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

              Another contradiction: I also see people saying both "there are a lot of errors sure, which is why I only use it on things I'm already an expert in" AND "AI really helps me explore new fields I don't know about"

              M This user is from outside of this forum
              M This user is from outside of this forum
              modulux
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              @cwebber Speaking for myself, I have used it to teach myself maths I didn't know, and yes, there were errors. So what it requires is being extremely disciplined about evaluating every step in a proof, making sure it's valid, ideally reproduce the work oneself. (I know there are other ways to learn maths, but few which are accessible to me. But this may extend to areas where results are sufficiently formally constrained.)

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              • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

                Another contradiction: I also see people saying both "there are a lot of errors sure, which is why I only use it on things I'm already an expert in" AND "AI really helps me explore new fields I don't know about"

                Dave AlvaradoD This user is from outside of this forum
                Dave AlvaradoD This user is from outside of this forum
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                @cwebber then there's the final boss: you're a lawyer or Ars Technica writer or whatever, a proven expert in your field, and you use AI without checking anyway.

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                • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

                  The slop huckster's dilemma:

                  "AI assisted tools are powerful but they should only be used by experts to work on things they're already experts in"

                  AND

                  It's hard to build expertise without going through the hard problems yourself, and the human brain is not conditioned to go through the hard things when there is a magical lever you could just pull that mostly does it for you

                  Chris-EvelynC This user is from outside of this forum
                  Chris-EvelynC This user is from outside of this forum
                  Chris-Evelyn
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                  @cwebber It‘s like when they say „AI will only replace junior programmers“ and I want to shake them and shout at them where they think senior programmers come from

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                  • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

                    The slop huckster's dilemma:

                    "AI assisted tools are powerful but they should only be used by experts to work on things they're already experts in"

                    AND

                    It's hard to build expertise without going through the hard problems yourself, and the human brain is not conditioned to go through the hard things when there is a magical lever you could just pull that mostly does it for you

                    Ken ButlerN This user is from outside of this forum
                    Ken ButlerN This user is from outside of this forum
                    Ken Butler
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                    @cwebber mostly *claims* to do it for you

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                    • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

                      The slop huckster's dilemma:

                      "AI assisted tools are powerful but they should only be used by experts to work on things they're already experts in"

                      AND

                      It's hard to build expertise without going through the hard problems yourself, and the human brain is not conditioned to go through the hard things when there is a magical lever you could just pull that mostly does it for you

                      Ronnie SoakC This user is from outside of this forum
                      Ronnie SoakC This user is from outside of this forum
                      Ronnie Soak
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                      @cwebber
                      To be fair: it is mostly not the human brain of the developer that is tempted by that magic lever.
                      It's that of his manager, who won't let him make those costly mistakes for him to become expert, but rather wished for him to use the lever.

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                      • Christine Lemmer-WebberC Christine Lemmer-Webber

                        The slop huckster's dilemma:

                        "AI assisted tools are powerful but they should only be used by experts to work on things they're already experts in"

                        AND

                        It's hard to build expertise without going through the hard problems yourself, and the human brain is not conditioned to go through the hard things when there is a magical lever you could just pull that mostly does it for you

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                        K This user is from outside of this forum
                        kNeo gHau
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                        @cwebber Calculators are magic boxes that make people dumber because they don't need do the maths themselves Vs Calculators make experts more productive and give them access to new methodology

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