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  • Liam ProvenL This user is from outside of this forum
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    Nobody knows how the whole system works

    https://surfingcomplexity.blog/2026/02/08/nobody-knows-how-the-whole-system-works/

    <- this is THE single key defining truth of 21st century computing

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    • Liam ProvenL Liam Proven

      Nobody knows how the whole system works

      https://surfingcomplexity.blog/2026/02/08/nobody-knows-how-the-whole-system-works/

      <- this is THE single key defining truth of 21st century computing

      Dekks HertonD This user is from outside of this forum
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      @lproven

      great article, back in the 80s you had to know how your language of choice interacted with the cpu nd memory.

      amazed at no comments

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      • Liam ProvenL Liam Proven

        Nobody knows how the whole system works

        https://surfingcomplexity.blog/2026/02/08/nobody-knows-how-the-whole-system-works/

        <- this is THE single key defining truth of 21st century computing

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        @lproven It's not even that no single person knows how the whole system works - that is inevitable in any complex system, I bet no single person could have designed Rome's water distribution system either.

        The great risk of LLM deskilling is that now people don't even know how their little part of the system works.

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        • Liam ProvenL Liam Proven

          Nobody knows how the whole system works

          https://surfingcomplexity.blog/2026/02/08/nobody-knows-how-the-whole-system-works/

          <- this is THE single key defining truth of 21st century computing

          Hypolite PetovanH This user is from outside of this forum
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          @lproven

          Yes, [AI] represents a significant shift in how we build software, it moves us further away from how the underlying stuff actually works, but the benefits exceed the risks.


          I don't know about that last one. If it weren't for the numerous massive externalities the current crop of AI currently has, it might have been easier to argue for it, but in the current situation, I don't think it's that clear-cut.

          Of course it's easier to clump the people who are concerned about these never-before-seen externalities with the people who are averse to change in their craft in order to dismiss both wholesale.

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            @lproven

            Yes, [AI] represents a significant shift in how we build software, it moves us further away from how the underlying stuff actually works, but the benefits exceed the risks.


            I don't know about that last one. If it weren't for the numerous massive externalities the current crop of AI currently has, it might have been easier to argue for it, but in the current situation, I don't think it's that clear-cut.

            Of course it's easier to clump the people who are concerned about these never-before-seen externalities with the people who are averse to change in their craft in order to dismiss both wholesale.

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            @lproven Also the difference between AI and the entirety of the technologies mentioned in this article is that machine learning (of which LLMs are an outcrop) is deliberately designed to obscure its inner working. It is a feature that makes it incredibly effective to reach its goal, but as a result even machine learning experts cannot explain how a system produced a given outcome, by design.

            So "nobody can't understand everything" as a hand-waving for AI is terribly reductionist. We voluntarily made computer systems inaccurate in order to bring about God in the machine and we ended up with a shitty climate change acceleratory Eliza.

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