ok what's the deal with tuwunel vs continuwuity?

@noisytoot @fossdd @ariadne yes, the ircd

@cobra my position is based on direct experience working with Jason on what became his first attempt at making a matrix server, construct.

It was originally built from parts of Charybdis, and his behavior created problems for the Charybdis project which in part led to the troubles with freenode.

I am willing to believe everyone involved sucks, but given that I have direct knowledge of his past behavior, I am not willing to believe he is purely innocent here.

@cobra for example, my first interaction with Jason was when he submitted a bunch of patches to Charybdis to "show the freenode staff that they are incompetent" or whatever it was.

In my naivete, I tried to redirect his maladaptive behavior into working on ircd. This led to a disagreement between myself (as the BDFL of the Charybdis IRC project) and Christel Dahlskljaer, wherein Christel threatened to KLINECHAN the entirety of #charybdis if we accepted code from Jason.

This is why I discussed the situation with rasengan, which set into motion the entire shitshow that happened next where he fired Christel and then proceeded to take over the network and run it into the ground.

But the reason Christel had the position she had was because Jason was harassing freenode staff due to their decision to not collaborate with him.

Her position was bad (threatening a FOSS project she depended on to deliver freenode services), but his conduct was also bad.

My goal was to redirect his conduct into something more productive.

Since then, I have heard about other instances which line up with the same pattern of behavior I was trying to redirect in the first place.

@cobra when he was working on Construct, he found a vulnerability in the way Synapse resolved DAG events that he exploited to brick #matrix-hq's history.

When he did that he crossed a line that personally made me feel uncomfortable working with him any further.

Maybe his behavior has changed since then, but the fact that there are two forks instead of one fork tells me that not much has changed.

Which is sad, because if what you are saying is right, it means I won't be spending my time on either fork.

This is unfortunate because I now need to have a reliable Matrix homeserver to continue interacting with certain projects that plan to deprecate their IRC chat.

@val@oc.todon.fr @fossdd@chaos.social @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems I didn't know Construct was Charybdis-based and was confused because Construct is ISC-licensed while Charybdis is GPL'd. I then looked at git blame LICENSE and apparently Jason just replaced the GPL with the ISC license!? That seems very much illegal unless he replaced every single line of Charybdis code (or somehow got permission from all contributors)

@noisytoot @cobra yes, but something pisses me off about that one too

@val@oc.todon.fr @ariadne@social.treehouse.systems @fossdd@chaos.social Correction: not ISC, but a license that is almost identical except it has "is present in" instead of "appear in".

Also apparently there's still an IRC parser in Construct, is that actually used anywhere?

@cobra @noisytoot they tend to overpromise and underdeliver

@ariadne@social.treehouse.systems @cobra@ak.vern.cc isn't that every matrix implementation (and matrix in general)? although some are worse than others (the worst definitely being cloudflare's vibe-coded "post-quantum" matrix homeserver that doesn't check signatures)