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This is a huge mark of shame for the UK.

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  • PaulNickson πŸ•ŠοΈπŸŽ›οΈπŸŽΌP This user is from outside of this forum
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    PaulNickson πŸ•ŠοΈπŸŽ›οΈπŸŽΌ
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    @FediThing @statsguy There is a third option: The Stupid.

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    • Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦S Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

      @nusher And no doubt there are some who fall through the cracks, right?

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      @statsguy Exactly. And the more that do, the more likely an outbreak is. The reason why it didn’t spread further is due to vaccination teams outreaching into affected communities.

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      • Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦S Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

        This is a huge mark of shame for the UK.

        There is absolutely no reason why one of the world's richest countries shouldn't be able to keep measles at bay.

        The causes are no doubt complex, but this really should be a solvable problem for a rich country with the political will to solve it.

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgjw0xegxglo

        #Measles #NHSCrisis #Antivax

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        @statsguy obviously, America cannot allow for a Measles gap. We will have more measles, bigger measles, better measles than ever before. /s

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        • Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦S Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

          @nusher And no doubt there are some who fall through the cracks, right?

          The Crafty MissT This user is from outside of this forum
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          @statsguy
          When we talk about variations in uptake, we sometimes talk about the 3 C's: convenience (to access) consequences (belief it's important), and confidence (trust in the system, provider, procedure/product). You need to consider them all.

          We haven't made it easy enough for people to access vaccines or explained things well, especially to excluded groups.

          Antivax sentiment is relatively unusual across the UK pop but there are many parents who want to know more or ask questions.

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            @statsguy
            When we talk about variations in uptake, we sometimes talk about the 3 C's: convenience (to access) consequences (belief it's important), and confidence (trust in the system, provider, procedure/product). You need to consider them all.

            We haven't made it easy enough for people to access vaccines or explained things well, especially to excluded groups.

            Antivax sentiment is relatively unusual across the UK pop but there are many parents who want to know more or ask questions.

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            @statsguy We also had a sustained disruption to routine childhood imms from 2020 that lasted beyond the acute phases of the pandemic

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              @AlexanderVI @statsguy I would like for someone to pay me to do a ten year study into if viruses are rewriting portions of people's logical functions in order to cause them to propagate the virus further... you know, either as a new mutation or... something no one noticed before.

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              • The Crafty MissT The Crafty Miss

                @statsguy
                When we talk about variations in uptake, we sometimes talk about the 3 C's: convenience (to access) consequences (belief it's important), and confidence (trust in the system, provider, procedure/product). You need to consider them all.

                We haven't made it easy enough for people to access vaccines or explained things well, especially to excluded groups.

                Antivax sentiment is relatively unusual across the UK pop but there are many parents who want to know more or ask questions.

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                @TheDonsieLass Yes, that sounds right. And to be fair to the government, at least they are now starting to try to do something about it, or at least the first of those 3.

                https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn407dyx24go

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                • Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦S Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                  This is a huge mark of shame for the UK.

                  There is absolutely no reason why one of the world's richest countries shouldn't be able to keep measles at bay.

                  The causes are no doubt complex, but this really should be a solvable problem for a rich country with the political will to solve it.

                  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgjw0xegxglo

                  #Measles #NHSCrisis #Antivax

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                  @statsguy

                  We were giving house room to pseudoscience and bad science in mainstream media well before the wave of online anti-vaxxers. And those have now found a home in Reform again egged on bytheir cheerleaders in the aformentioned media. Add over a decade of Tory government ideologically opposed to public health, and is this a surprise?.

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                  • Isabel RuffellI Isabel Ruffell

                    @statsguy

                    We were giving house room to pseudoscience and bad science in mainstream media well before the wave of online anti-vaxxers. And those have now found a home in Reform again egged on bytheir cheerleaders in the aformentioned media. Add over a decade of Tory government ideologically opposed to public health, and is this a surprise?.

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                    @iaruffell Not a massive surprise, but still shameful.

                    Though while anti-vax attitudes surely play a part, I am not convinced that's the whole story. I'm sure our dysfunctional healthcare system has something to do with it as well.

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                    • Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦S Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                      @FediThing I would very much assume it's some combination of the 2, though I don't know of good data on the relative contribution of each.

                      Antivax lies are pretty self explanatory and I'm sure they contribute. But there are also barriers to getting appointments that the government could address better than they have.

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                      @statsguy @FediThing I would also like to make sure some blame goes Boris Johnson's way, because he managed to repeatedly undermine trust and understanding of biomedical science, throughout the pandemic, because he's a prick.

                      Thank you.

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                      • xtaldaveX xtaldave

                        @statsguy @FediThing I would also like to make sure some blame goes Boris Johnson's way, because he managed to repeatedly undermine trust and understanding of biomedical science, throughout the pandemic, because he's a prick.

                        Thank you.

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                        @xtaldave @FediThing Consider Johnson hereby blamed.

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                        • Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦S Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                          @xtaldave @FediThing Consider Johnson hereby blamed.

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                          @statsguy @FediThing I'll make sure that gets minuted.

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                          • Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦S Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                            @TheDonsieLass Yes, that sounds right. And to be fair to the government, at least they are now starting to try to do something about it, or at least the first of those 3.

                            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn407dyx24go

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                            @statsguy We've had strategies for years (sound ones that PHE put together) but then COVID and Johnson destroying PHE to cover his failure and all through it, austerity. We also need wider system capacity to enact the good ideas, and the health system is strapped.

                            Hopefully we'll get the resources and capacity to get coverage back up for elimination again before too long

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                            • Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦S Adam Jacobs πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦

                              @TheDonsieLass Yes, that sounds right. And to be fair to the government, at least they are now starting to try to do something about it, or at least the first of those 3.

                              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn407dyx24go

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                              @statsguy Going where the need is most acute and barriers high is a Good Thing

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