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  • Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
    Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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    RE: https://infosec.exchange/@isotopp/116018242921016843

    I like this! The Kardashian scale for evaluating how out of touch with reality a planetary civilization is (by analogy with the Kardashev scale).

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    • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

      RE: https://infosec.exchange/@isotopp/116018242921016843

      I like this! The Kardashian scale for evaluating how out of touch with reality a planetary civilization is (by analogy with the Kardashev scale).

      Mad EngineeringM This user is from outside of this forum
      Mad EngineeringM This user is from outside of this forum
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      @cstross How do we lower it?

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      • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

        RE: https://infosec.exchange/@isotopp/116018242921016843

        I like this! The Kardashian scale for evaluating how out of touch with reality a planetary civilization is (by analogy with the Kardashev scale).

        Niedliche Nacktschnecke ☑️N This user is from outside of this forum
        Niedliche Nacktschnecke ☑️N This user is from outside of this forum
        Niedliche Nacktschnecke ☑️
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        @cstross love it! The teleological interpretation of history in the kardashev scale always bugged me & now I understand that kardashev didn't mean it that way.

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        • Mad EngineeringM Mad Engineering

          @cstross How do we lower it?

          Isaac Ji KuoI This user is from outside of this forum
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          @madengineering @cstross Good question. I think a good start is doing the opposite of what the Trump administration has been doing.

          Funding science. Funding education. Funding public television and radio. Basing health care policy on science and truth.

          These are kinda boring bread and butter things that prop up reality based institutions, but they worked!

          I'm not a historian, but I feel it has been anomalous for the USA to care about science and stuff. The atomic bomb caused a big temporary

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          • Isaac Ji KuoI Isaac Ji Kuo

            @madengineering @cstross Good question. I think a good start is doing the opposite of what the Trump administration has been doing.

            Funding science. Funding education. Funding public television and radio. Basing health care policy on science and truth.

            These are kinda boring bread and butter things that prop up reality based institutions, but they worked!

            I'm not a historian, but I feel it has been anomalous for the USA to care about science and stuff. The atomic bomb caused a big temporary

            Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
            Charlie StrossC This user is from outside of this forum
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            @isaackuo @madengineering Also: regulate all mass media. This includes social media as well as TV/radio/etc, and means putting a strict choke-chain on advertising and promotion (including algorithms) rather than direct censorship of content. The existence of dedicated propaganda channels that gamify content and/or use pushbutton outrage to keep eyes-on-ads is deadly to public understanding.

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            • Isaac Ji KuoI Isaac Ji Kuo

              @madengineering @cstross Good question. I think a good start is doing the opposite of what the Trump administration has been doing.

              Funding science. Funding education. Funding public television and radio. Basing health care policy on science and truth.

              These are kinda boring bread and butter things that prop up reality based institutions, but they worked!

              I'm not a historian, but I feel it has been anomalous for the USA to care about science and stuff. The atomic bomb caused a big temporary

              Isaac Ji KuoI This user is from outside of this forum
              Isaac Ji KuoI This user is from outside of this forum
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              @madengineering @cstross shift in USA cultural attitudes toward science, and whether or not science was important and something to be proud of (as opposed to something to be willfully angry at for saying things like whites are related to other people).

              But things can change. The USA now has a huge non-white population, and it's possible this can help a cultural shift toward policies that aren't hatefully rooted in white supremacism.

              We'll, see, but the struggle for progress is worth it!

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              • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                @isaackuo @madengineering Also: regulate all mass media. This includes social media as well as TV/radio/etc, and means putting a strict choke-chain on advertising and promotion (including algorithms) rather than direct censorship of content. The existence of dedicated propaganda channels that gamify content and/or use pushbutton outrage to keep eyes-on-ads is deadly to public understanding.

                synlogic4242S This user is from outside of this forum
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                @cstross @isaackuo @madengineering I once worked on a small part of that problem space for the US State Dept. we had a lot of constraints on what we could do. I always wished to try doing more, something much more ambitious out in private sector. longterm we need buy-in from voters and legislators to put in place the legal upgrades needed

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                • Charlie StrossC Charlie Stross

                  RE: https://infosec.exchange/@isotopp/116018242921016843

                  I like this! The Kardashian scale for evaluating how out of touch with reality a planetary civilization is (by analogy with the Kardashev scale).

                  swopeS This user is from outside of this forum
                  swopeS This user is from outside of this forum
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                  @cstross
                  So where on the scale is Idiocracy?

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                  • synlogic4242S synlogic4242

                    @cstross @isaackuo @madengineering I once worked on a small part of that problem space for the US State Dept. we had a lot of constraints on what we could do. I always wished to try doing more, something much more ambitious out in private sector. longterm we need buy-in from voters and legislators to put in place the legal upgrades needed

                    Isaac Ji KuoI This user is from outside of this forum
                    Isaac Ji KuoI This user is from outside of this forum
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                    @synlogic4242 @cstross @madengineering I'll admit I don't really know the best solutions to these problems. But I'm hopeful that people are at least waking up to the fact that these are important problems. The Epstein class already know it.

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