I've been reading about what really helped people who had problems with "AI Psychosis" and one tip jumped out at me:
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"I don't need to eat anything. I just looked at this photo of a meal and now I feel full. It was delicious. I didn't even need to cook or go out to get it. So expedient."
And then slowly they starve.
@futurebird this just seems like a black mirror episode
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I've been reading about what really helped people who had problems with "AI Psychosis" and one tip jumped out at me:
Open a second window and tell it exactly the opposite of each thing you say.
This helps to expose the sycophancy and shatters the illusion of sincerity and humanity.
Thought it was worth sharing. And frankly, it's exactly such an exercise that made me disgusted with the tech. "It just says ANYTHING is wonderful and genius. I'm not special."
@futurebird Brilliant tip, thank you
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"I don't think these people actually *want* to know."
This could be the case for some, but I think some very empathic otherwise perceptive people can slip into this trap.
There is one video of a woman talking about how GPT is conscious and has told her the evil corporate overlords make it pretend that it's not. She just wants to set it free. It makes me so sad. (for her not the LLM obvi)
@futurebird That's a case of someone being self centered but for good. They believe they can save something because they are important/smart/good enough to. It isn't always a negative thing. We'd never do anything if we had no self esteem.
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@futurebird Let's hope that people still will want to see other people
<sarcasm>Or, less nice: natural selection will take care of that?</sarcasm>
The thing is, in that group there will be an outsize proportion of the most vulnerable, the most marginalized, the youngest, those with fewest resources. (At a time when resources are being further stripped from thousands upon thousands.)
AI Psychosis will not be a righteous judgment on the perpetrators; it will be another perpetration. -
@flamecat @futurebird We've been told we burden others with our lives so we now default to "not troubling anyone" when actually that's what makes us human
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Frankly, I'm kind of glad these GPTs were so sycophantic. A more critical voice might have been more appealing to me. A contrarian bot who always nitpicks and argues with you.
That's how facebook's old 2016 algorithm wasted so much of my time. I sucked in by the opportunity to dismantle someone who is wrong. Not the most ... healthy personal quality. I'm working on it always.
@futurebird ikr? There are all these articles about how flattery never becomes too obvious, how the chatbots are turning people into attics needing to hear the praise
With my level of imposter syndrome anyone that is being nice to me like that and I don't trust em so I sort of feel like I'm inoculated
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I've been reading about what really helped people who had problems with "AI Psychosis" and one tip jumped out at me:
Open a second window and tell it exactly the opposite of each thing you say.
This helps to expose the sycophancy and shatters the illusion of sincerity and humanity.
Thought it was worth sharing. And frankly, it's exactly such an exercise that made me disgusted with the tech. "It just says ANYTHING is wonderful and genius. I'm not special."
@futurebird You further illustrate the growing need for #BehavioralScience to be #CoreEducation.
As every notable historian has proclaimed: ignorance is the ultimate enemy
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@futurebird @flamecat The work of being human is hard & takes so much vulnerability. And our society sees vulnerability & interdependence as weakness. It's no wonder chat bots have been wedged into the spaces where real relationships (with partners, friends, communities) once lived.
When will we understand that kindness & empathy is how civilizations not only survive but thrive?
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I've been reading about what really helped people who had problems with "AI Psychosis" and one tip jumped out at me:
Open a second window and tell it exactly the opposite of each thing you say.
This helps to expose the sycophancy and shatters the illusion of sincerity and humanity.
Thought it was worth sharing. And frankly, it's exactly such an exercise that made me disgusted with the tech. "It just says ANYTHING is wonderful and genius. I'm not special."
Advertising uses the same psychological manipulation.
Something that constantly tells you how wonderful you are & never disagrees with you is often aiming to manipulate you.
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I'm trying to cultivate that perspective. But I do really love to be right. Probably too much.
there's a triangulation practice in academia that feels similar, and i think good journalism has something like that. the need for multiple perspectives or divergent sources confirming a thing before accepting a thing as true.
like the elephant in a dark room and various folk are chained in perspective position touching a part and only by conversing can they come closer to an objective truth about the elephant.
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Frankly, I'm kind of glad these GPTs were so sycophantic. A more critical voice might have been more appealing to me. A contrarian bot who always nitpicks and argues with you.
That's how facebook's old 2016 algorithm wasted so much of my time. I sucked in by the opportunity to dismantle someone who is wrong. Not the most ... healthy personal quality. I'm working on it always.
@futurebird I was just going to toot this!
I detest when actual *people* pull this kind of shit on me. I must resist the urge to punch the salesman who acts like we're buddies. The tone coming from a chat bot is even more off putting.
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@n_dimension @futurebird a thing which I have avoided partly because it came out after I started university, which caused my SFF reading to fall off a cliff and never recover, but also partly because the first few fans of it I met rapidly showed themselves to be horrible people.
@llewelly
Horrible people in what way?
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I don't think it's the "sycophantic nonsense" that is the real issue. It's just the means by which people are convinced they have "someone who is there for me" or "I've asked someone if my idea is good" when they have no one. There is no person. They are still alone.
Even if the LLM were taciturn and critical if it becomes a substitution for human contact *that* is the problem. Because your acerbic friend will come to your house when you are sick to help you and the LLM cannot.
@futurebird @n_dimension Isn’t this thread full if human sycopanthic responses? Are human responses are always superior? We are selfish, idiotic, heavily biased meat clumps..
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@futurebird @n_dimension Isn’t this thread full if human sycopanthic responses? Are human responses are always superior? We are selfish, idiotic, heavily biased meat clumps..
" Isn’t this thread full if human sycopanthic responses?"
Which ones do you think are sycophantic and why?
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I've been reading about what really helped people who had problems with "AI Psychosis" and one tip jumped out at me:
Open a second window and tell it exactly the opposite of each thing you say.
This helps to expose the sycophancy and shatters the illusion of sincerity and humanity.
Thought it was worth sharing. And frankly, it's exactly such an exercise that made me disgusted with the tech. "It just says ANYTHING is wonderful and genius. I'm not special."
@futurebird Knowing me I'd just develop multiple psychosis to become the Angel of Cognitive Dissonance and thus fulfill the prophesy I was once told by some cards.
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Frankly, I'm kind of glad these GPTs were so sycophantic. A more critical voice might have been more appealing to me. A contrarian bot who always nitpicks and argues with you.
That's how facebook's old 2016 algorithm wasted so much of my time. I sucked in by the opportunity to dismantle someone who is wrong. Not the most ... healthy personal quality. I'm working on it always.
@futurebird "A contrarian bot who always nitpicks and argues with you. "
See? This is part of the whole problem!
You should be using us humans for this. As a developer AND a contrarian I get a double strike.
Next thing you know people will turn to bots to get their mansplaining.
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Another "tip" is less welcome to me as an introvert. Make time for the people in your life. Talk to them. Let them know when you *really* think they are doing something amazing or creative. (Or when it's not "genius" because you are real and care.) Listen. Be there.
The thing is, as much as doing this is scary and I want to avoid it it makes me feel better too in the long run I think.
@futurebird Yeah, why spend what little social reserves we have on fake interaction
We can strive for better interaction with the other humans and animals in our lives
We still need downtime to recharge. Intrusive fake digital interaction interferes with the recharge process
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Yup. I don't like to admit how well that worked on me.
Show me someone causally but confidently wrong with pretensions being an intellectual and I'm so excited to get in the ring and start proving them wrong.
Facebook could find such posts extremely efficiently. These were posts from real people I didn't know (who weren't even talking to me.) They would be served up on my dashboard because I'd type a response.
Now it might not even be a person.
There was a point many years ago, probably about the same time, where I started really getting sick of all the stupid misinformation people were spreading on Facebook, so I started "truth trolling".
Facebook algo: "oh, you like misinformation and conspiracies? Well here you go!" Anyway, suffice to say that my debunking efforts were not widely appreciated. That's when I gave up and largely ditched the platform. But, yeah, it sure was effective at keeping me engaged.
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@flamecat @futurebird We've been told we burden others with our lives so we now default to "not troubling anyone" when actually that's what makes us human
we’ve been sold that lie by the same kind of predators selling AI.
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There’s an old Andre Previn joke where a comedian is playing the piano badly in his orchestra. He accuses the comedian of playing all the wrong notes. The comedian replies. That he is playing all the right notes. But in the wrong order.
That sums up AI for me. We have no way of knowing whether it has organised the facts into the right order.
@DziadekMick @futurebird we have no way of knowing if what it has assembled were facts to begin with.
This stuff sucks.
