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  3. It's weird to see engineering leaders leading thousands of people acting like their hands are tied by the conclusions of like, one survey at Microsoft with a hundred people in it.

It's weird to see engineering leaders leading thousands of people acting like their hands are tied by the conclusions of like, one survey at Microsoft with a hundred people in it.

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  • J. Nathan Matias 🦣N J. Nathan Matias 🦣

    @grimalkina it is quite maddening. I ran up against this in my early MA work on gender disparities in journalism. Orgs with vast data teams were very reluctant to study themselves and voraciously eager to hear about peers.

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    @grimalkina I eventually gave up on research about equity and representation in journalism (though not other work on it), after concluding they could speak truth to any power but themselves.

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    • Cat HicksG Cat Hicks

      I had two PhD social scientists and a dream and was running projects with chewing gum and duct tape and we got more than 5000 people to talk to us about the threat and fear they felt with AI and what helped them value learning despite it

      You all *sneeze* and spend what that study cost

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      @grimalkina
      On that theme of “I had chewing gum and duct tape and I did it alone for less than it costs the org to sneeze,” just in case you haven’t already read it, a beautiful tale of gumption:

      https://www.pacifict.com/Story/

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      • Paul CantrellI Paul Cantrell

        @grimalkina
        On that theme of “I had chewing gum and duct tape and I did it alone for less than it costs the org to sneeze,” just in case you haven’t already read it, a beautiful tale of gumption:

        https://www.pacifict.com/Story/

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        @inthehands oh thank you for this

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        • J. Nathan Matias 🦣N J. Nathan Matias 🦣

          @grimalkina I eventually gave up on research about equity and representation in journalism (though not other work on it), after concluding they could speak truth to any power but themselves.

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          @natematias so exhausting, I am really sorry you went through that and can totally empathize with the shape of this problem from other areas. I felt this way about working in nonprofit edtech space where organizations had access to exceptionally rare and powerful evidence from across hundreds of schools and no motivation at all to properly invest in learning from it and sharing it back with those communities.

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          • Cat HicksG Cat Hicks

            @natematias so exhausting, I am really sorry you went through that and can totally empathize with the shape of this problem from other areas. I felt this way about working in nonprofit edtech space where organizations had access to exceptionally rare and powerful evidence from across hundreds of schools and no motivation at all to properly invest in learning from it and sharing it back with those communities.

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            @natematias in a lot of ways I feel like making progress on this is a lifelong mission that you and I share in our different ways/areas.

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            • Cat HicksG Cat Hicks

              I had two PhD social scientists and a dream and was running projects with chewing gum and duct tape and we got more than 5000 people to talk to us about the threat and fear they felt with AI and what helped them value learning despite it

              You all *sneeze* and spend what that study cost

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              @grimalkina Has it been published yet?

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              • Cat HicksG Cat Hicks

                I had two PhD social scientists and a dream and was running projects with chewing gum and duct tape and we got more than 5000 people to talk to us about the threat and fear they felt with AI and what helped them value learning despite it

                You all *sneeze* and spend what that study cost

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                @grimalkina the biggest blocker for surveys in my career has been the fear of "survey fatigue" - the idea that the more surveys the company runs the less responses there will be. I don't know if it was founded on hard data though. But we were basically allowed to do a single devexp survey every 6 months or so, and were supposedly competing with HR surveys. What are your thoughts on it?

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                • Cat HicksG Cat Hicks

                  @natematias in a lot of ways I feel like making progress on this is a lifelong mission that you and I share in our different ways/areas.

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                  @grimalkina ❤

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                  • Cat HicksG Cat Hicks

                    Granted I think my ability to lead research is quite unique. But with love: you can have evidence too

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                    @grimalkina seems like the idea of "listening to your employees" is very scary for upper management.
                    Feels similar to the way consultants tend to be listened to much more than employees saying the same things.

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                    • Cat HicksG Cat Hicks

                      @natematias so exhausting, I am really sorry you went through that and can totally empathize with the shape of this problem from other areas. I felt this way about working in nonprofit edtech space where organizations had access to exceptionally rare and powerful evidence from across hundreds of schools and no motivation at all to properly invest in learning from it and sharing it back with those communities.

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                      @grimalkina @natematias Grrrrrrrrr. 😡

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