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free open source software needs fewer engineers and more designers and product people

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  • The Golden Age of WitlessJ The Golden Age of Witless

    @m000gletje @TodePond I’m literally in the middle of writing a long blog specifically about this, it’s extremely frustrating because ideologically motivated early adopters have the most sway over most OSS projects (including stuff like Mastodon) and they’re frankly just weird. They can’t imagine a person who isn’t actually obsessed with computers like they are

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    @m000gletje @TodePond Also applies to stuff like Mastodon where its advocates can’t seem to imagine that other peoples’ desired use of social media doesn’t involve talking solely to Linux users, and consider everyone else to be a “clout chaser”

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    • The Golden Age of WitlessJ The Golden Age of Witless

      @m000gletje @TodePond Also applies to stuff like Mastodon where its advocates can’t seem to imagine that other peoples’ desired use of social media doesn’t involve talking solely to Linux users, and consider everyone else to be a “clout chaser”

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      @m000gletje @TodePond Personally I think you only solve this issue by finding and beating anyone who ever says “pull requests welcome” in response to feature requests

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      • The Golden Age of WitlessJ The Golden Age of Witless

        @m000gletje @TodePond Also applies to stuff like Mastodon where its advocates can’t seem to imagine that other peoples’ desired use of social media doesn’t involve talking solely to Linux users, and consider everyone else to be a “clout chaser”

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        i see too many fossbros say we should trade convenience for privacy (which honestly starts turning into a buzzword to fire neurons in people's brains), and i just sit there thinking maybe in such an advanced society aspiring to a stable, peaceful and fulfilling life, we shouldn't trade shit one for another

        but try telling them that, they'll call you illiterate and lazy for not wanting to be a sysadmin of your own empire

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        • The Golden Age of WitlessJ The Golden Age of Witless

          @m000gletje @TodePond Personally I think you only solve this issue by finding and beating anyone who ever says “pull requests welcome” in response to feature requests

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          tbf if said request comes from someone who actually has the capability and skills to contribute themself that's a reasonable thing to say

          but of course that's only a minority of cases where that happens

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          • beatmania IIDX 67: sigmaM beatmania IIDX 67: sigma

            tbf if said request comes from someone who actually has the capability and skills to contribute themself that's a reasonable thing to say

            but of course that's only a minority of cases where that happens

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            @m000gletje @TodePond Yeah like literally the first bullet point in the thing I’m writing is just “not everyone is or can be a nerd”

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            • beatmania IIDX 67: sigmaM beatmania IIDX 67: sigma

              i see too many fossbros say we should trade convenience for privacy (which honestly starts turning into a buzzword to fire neurons in people's brains), and i just sit there thinking maybe in such an advanced society aspiring to a stable, peaceful and fulfilling life, we shouldn't trade shit one for another

              but try telling them that, they'll call you illiterate and lazy for not wanting to be a sysadmin of your own empire

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              @m000gletje @TodePond Yeah “use our software! It’s inconvenient!” is very obviously a bad sales pitch nobody will listen to - often motivated by the strange idea that you should, as a moral imperative, suffer to use technology

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              • The Golden Age of WitlessJ The Golden Age of Witless

                @m000gletje @TodePond Yeah “use our software! It’s inconvenient!” is very obviously a bad sales pitch nobody will listen to - often motivated by the strange idea that you should, as a moral imperative, suffer to use technology

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                look, i've had my ride with trying to be a sysadmin, sure it's fun to have your own services you can fuck around in without the approval of anyone

                but it shouldn't be a necessity and rather something you can get into if you want

                actually foss/generally tech nerds should be forced to go outside, touch grass and interact with the normies so they can get off their imaginary selfhosted planet and get a grip on reality

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                • Lu wilsonT Lu wilson

                  free open source software needs fewer engineers and more designers and product people

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                  @TodePond I guess without large amount of state funding it's not going to happen, especially from an accessibility standpoint.. Until then I guess we have to make do with people mostly making software for themselves

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                    @TodePond I guess without large amount of state funding it's not going to happen, especially from an accessibility standpoint.. Until then I guess we have to make do with people mostly making software for themselves

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                    @yaxu strongly disagree! there are huge incentives for designers and product people to get involved with volunteering, just like programmers.

                    and yes accessibility is a huge factor of this. getting design and product-oriented people involved means software becomes accessible to more people

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                    • Lu wilsonT Lu wilson

                      free open source software needs fewer engineers and more designers and product people

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                      @TodePond@mas.to and technical writer

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                      • Lu wilsonT Lu wilson

                        free open source software needs fewer engineers and more designers and product people

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                        @TodePond@mas.to FOSS engineers at the very concept of UX: ​​

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                        • Lu wilsonT Lu wilson

                          @yaxu strongly disagree! there are huge incentives for designers and product people to get involved with volunteering, just like programmers.

                          and yes accessibility is a huge factor of this. getting design and product-oriented people involved means software becomes accessible to more people

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                          @TodePond Fair enough, I should be more optimistic!

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                          • Lu wilsonT Lu wilson

                            we gave the tech nerds too much power

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                            @TodePond this is true in many fields

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                            • Lu wilsonT Lu wilson

                              @yaxu strongly disagree! there are huge incentives for designers and product people to get involved with volunteering, just like programmers.

                              and yes accessibility is a huge factor of this. getting design and product-oriented people involved means software becomes accessible to more people

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                              @TodePond what are the incentives?

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