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If I worked for Mastodon, I would create a turn key solution for parties that want to set up a Mastodon server for all their party candidates.

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  • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

    @randahl yesterday at FOSDEM there was a member of the European Parliament who was asked why so many politicians are still on X and her answer made total sense (sadly):

    Politicians stay on X because journalists are still there, so they feel that if they leave they will become irrelevant / not be written about.

    And journalists stay on X because politicians are there.

    It’s a vicious cycle

    Daniel HernándezD This user is from outside of this forum
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    Daniel Hernández
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    #33

    @_elena @randahl I think there is a rise of fascism in many countries (which does not mean people became fascist). Fascist politicians will not move from fascist platforms. Worst, the non-fascist politicians are mimicking the fascist ones to obtain votes. For instance, in the Chilean presidential election, most of the candidates focused on migration because that was the main topic of the fascist candidate. Then, non-fascists will be where fascists are.

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    • Daniel HernándezD Daniel Hernández

      @_elena @randahl I think there is a rise of fascism in many countries (which does not mean people became fascist). Fascist politicians will not move from fascist platforms. Worst, the non-fascist politicians are mimicking the fascist ones to obtain votes. For instance, in the Chilean presidential election, most of the candidates focused on migration because that was the main topic of the fascist candidate. Then, non-fascists will be where fascists are.

      Daniel HernándezD This user is from outside of this forum
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      #34

      @_elena @randahl I think public universities could contribute to moving from fascist platforms, but few of them have taken this seriously. I know only two universities that are doing this by creating Mastodon instances for academics and students.

      https://mstdn.degu.cl/@daniel/115996131690973233

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      • VVLD1clV VVLD1cl

        @randahl exactly, is there an effort for doing just that, wondering

        GunChleocG This user is from outside of this forum
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        GunChleoc
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        #35

        @VVLD1cl @randahl There's a campaign in Germany where people who are still on X, Instagram etc. encourage people to run a +1 strategy, which is stay where they are but run a Fediverse account too https://savesocial.eu/en/

        They can then slowly promote their Fediverse account while they build up a following here, and then eventually shut down their old accounts.

        There's also the @leavex campaign that collects e-mail addresses for European politicians https://leavex.eu/

        Maybe you can team up?

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        • GunChleocG GunChleoc

          @VVLD1cl @randahl There's a campaign in Germany where people who are still on X, Instagram etc. encourage people to run a +1 strategy, which is stay where they are but run a Fediverse account too https://savesocial.eu/en/

          They can then slowly promote their Fediverse account while they build up a following here, and then eventually shut down their old accounts.

          There's also the @leavex campaign that collects e-mail addresses for European politicians https://leavex.eu/

          Maybe you can team up?

          Leave X - Protect DemocracyL This user is from outside of this forum
          Leave X - Protect DemocracyL This user is from outside of this forum
          Leave X - Protect Democracy
          wrote last edited by
          #36

          We are planning to work closely with the Save Social campaign. And also to display the Executive on our platform.

          There is also this awesome work being done in Canada by @smattymatty and team, advocating for politicians to come to the Fediverse

          https://elbowsupdigital.ca/

          All these initiatives are going to be listed here

          https://leavex.eu/network/

          There are others we need to update.

          Cc @VVLD1cl @randahl @gunchleoc @bjoernsta @ElbowsUpforDigitalSovereignty

          #LeaveX

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          • CeremusC Ceremus

            @randahl Dear God, do not encourage politicians who have high risk factors of being targeted by bad actors to create their own Mastodon servers.

            Mastodon does NOT in ANY WAY have appropriate system safeguards against motivated bad-faith actors.

            This is *one* example: https://bsky.app/profile/thisismissem.social/post/3m2nigx3tnc2h

            (Emelia specifically works on Trust & Safety in the Fediverse)

            GunChleocG This user is from outside of this forum
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            GunChleoc
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            #37

            @ceremus @randahl Since that post was made, Mastodon has introduced an admin option to hide public timelines from people that are not logged in.

            One remaining problem is that we dont have any pre-emptive moderation tools to deal with harassment & dogpiling, like common dogwistles & slurs getting flagged for review. Moderators can only become aware of problems when users report them.

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            • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

              @randahl yesterday at FOSDEM there was a member of the European Parliament who was asked why so many politicians are still on X and her answer made total sense (sadly):

              Politicians stay on X because journalists are still there, so they feel that if they leave they will become irrelevant / not be written about.

              And journalists stay on X because politicians are there.

              It’s a vicious cycle

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              Gerrit 🇪🇺🌍🍉🔻
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              #38

              @_elena @randahl

              A cycle is only a cycle if you don't step out of it.

              And I will also say this, if your political "success" depends on lazy journalists grabbing your lazy messages from X and slap dashing lazy articles with X screenshots of what you "said", then you are not the politician you think you are.

              And for the others, what you fear is not what actually will happen. Stepping away from X will not make you irrelevant. On the contrary, it will put you in the spotlight.

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              • Leave X - Protect DemocracyL Leave X - Protect Democracy

                We are planning to work closely with the Save Social campaign. And also to display the Executive on our platform.

                There is also this awesome work being done in Canada by @smattymatty and team, advocating for politicians to come to the Fediverse

                https://elbowsupdigital.ca/

                All these initiatives are going to be listed here

                https://leavex.eu/network/

                There are others we need to update.

                Cc @VVLD1cl @randahl @gunchleoc @bjoernsta @ElbowsUpforDigitalSovereignty

                #LeaveX

                Mathew StormS This user is from outside of this forum
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                #39

                @leavex @VVLD1cl @randahl @gunchleoc @bjoernsta @ElbowsUpforDigitalSovereignty

                Awesome!!!

                I just coded the site, our movement has been a real team effort though

                Glad to be part of this world wide network

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                • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

                  @randahl yesterday at FOSDEM there was a member of the European Parliament who was asked why so many politicians are still on X and her answer made total sense (sadly):

                  Politicians stay on X because journalists are still there, so they feel that if they leave they will become irrelevant / not be written about.

                  And journalists stay on X because politicians are there.

                  It’s a vicious cycle

                  Rainer KönigK This user is from outside of this forum
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                  Rainer König
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                  #40

                  @_elena
                  Journalists should be where the newsworthy things happen or are announced. So if politicians abandon X and switch to better places then journalists will follow otherwise they have nothing to write about.

                  Yes, I know that this would require real leaders and not just politicians...

                  @randahl

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                  • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

                    @randahl yesterday at FOSDEM there was a member of the European Parliament who was asked why so many politicians are still on X and her answer made total sense (sadly):

                    Politicians stay on X because journalists are still there, so they feel that if they leave they will become irrelevant / not be written about.

                    And journalists stay on X because politicians are there.

                    It’s a vicious cycle

                    Kristin (vis.social Admin)K This user is from outside of this forum
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                    Kristin (vis.social Admin)
                    wrote last edited by
                    #41

                    @_elena @randahl This doesn't excuse the lack of posting elsewhere. They could just copy-paste their posts to Fedi or Bluesky. There are lots of journalists on bluesky. And a few here on fedi.

                    They could prepare to dump x, by putting in a tiny bit of effort on any other platform. Or rather a tiny bit of their interns' efforts.

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                    • GunChleocG GunChleoc

                      @ceremus @randahl Since that post was made, Mastodon has introduced an admin option to hide public timelines from people that are not logged in.

                      One remaining problem is that we dont have any pre-emptive moderation tools to deal with harassment & dogpiling, like common dogwistles & slurs getting flagged for review. Moderators can only become aware of problems when users report them.

                      CeremusC This user is from outside of this forum
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                      Ceremus
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                      #42

                      @gunchleoc @randahl
                      I don't understand how logged-in action defends against bad actors who, for example, could upload CSAM material to someone else's private server. Which is Mastodon's default behavior, to cache potentially illegal material provided by a 3rd party.

                      As if these bad actors, as well as the law enforcement they would snitch to, could not get access to a federated logon account?

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                      • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

                        @randahl yesterday at FOSDEM there was a member of the European Parliament who was asked why so many politicians are still on X and her answer made total sense (sadly):

                        Politicians stay on X because journalists are still there, so they feel that if they leave they will become irrelevant / not be written about.

                        And journalists stay on X because politicians are there.

                        It’s a vicious cycle

                        CartyBostonC This user is from outside of this forum
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                        CartyBoston
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                        #43

                        @_elena @randahl It's simply people being unprincipled, not everything requires a complex explanation.

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                        • Kristin (vis.social Admin)K Kristin (vis.social Admin)

                          @_elena @randahl This doesn't excuse the lack of posting elsewhere. They could just copy-paste their posts to Fedi or Bluesky. There are lots of journalists on bluesky. And a few here on fedi.

                          They could prepare to dump x, by putting in a tiny bit of effort on any other platform. Or rather a tiny bit of their interns' efforts.

                          Elena Rossini ⁂_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          Elena Rossini ⁂
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                          #44

                          @kristinHenry @randahl hey I absolutely abhor all Big Tech platforms and deleted all my accounts, so I agree with you.

                          We should also not underestimate how tech illiterate many politicians and journalists may be...

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                          • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

                            @kristinHenry @randahl hey I absolutely abhor all Big Tech platforms and deleted all my accounts, so I agree with you.

                            We should also not underestimate how tech illiterate many politicians and journalists may be...

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                            Kristin (vis.social Admin)
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                            #45

                            @_elena @randahl I get a lot of actually useful-to-me news right here from @MLNow. They're a fantastic local news team that has embraced distributed social.

                            @ProPublica is also here. But not as active.

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                            • Kristin (vis.social Admin)K Kristin (vis.social Admin)

                              @_elena @randahl I get a lot of actually useful-to-me news right here from @MLNow. They're a fantastic local news team that has embraced distributed social.

                              @ProPublica is also here. But not as active.

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                              Jonathan Schofield
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                              @kristinHenry @_elena @randahl @MLNow @ProPublica

                              Electoral politics is the pursuit of and the holding onto power. Sure, people go into it for noble reasons. But the sheer amount of noise inside there cannot help but dissipate those intentions. Power and unbridled ego goes and stays where the strange attractors are. Mastodon is an antidote to that. So in my view we shouldn’t be surprised that they’re not here, nor likely to be

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                              • Elena Rossini ⁂_ Elena Rossini ⁂

                                @randahl yesterday at FOSDEM there was a member of the European Parliament who was asked why so many politicians are still on X and her answer made total sense (sadly):

                                Politicians stay on X because journalists are still there, so they feel that if they leave they will become irrelevant / not be written about.

                                And journalists stay on X because politicians are there.

                                It’s a vicious cycle

                                Green Party NIG This user is from outside of this forum
                                Green Party NIG This user is from outside of this forum
                                Green Party NI
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                                @_elena @randahl it’s nonsense. https://mastodon.ie/@greenpartyni/115881150327768590

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                                • Jonathan SchofieldU Jonathan Schofield

                                  @kristinHenry @_elena @randahl @MLNow @ProPublica

                                  Electoral politics is the pursuit of and the holding onto power. Sure, people go into it for noble reasons. But the sheer amount of noise inside there cannot help but dissipate those intentions. Power and unbridled ego goes and stays where the strange attractors are. Mastodon is an antidote to that. So in my view we shouldn’t be surprised that they’re not here, nor likely to be

                                  Kristin (vis.social Admin)K This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  @urlyman @_elena @randahl @MLNow @ProPublica

                                  I really should be going to sleep soon. But I have to expand on what you are saying here.

                                  Yes, politics is one way to pursue and hold power.

                                  But politics is the public solving of problems, at it's best and most powerful manifestation.

                                  To some, it is a game. To most, it is the boring process of getting things done, sometimes in the benefit of the most.

                                  The worst politicians, for the people, are those who want to be in office for the power.

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                                  • Kristin (vis.social Admin)K Kristin (vis.social Admin)

                                    @urlyman @_elena @randahl @MLNow @ProPublica

                                    I really should be going to sleep soon. But I have to expand on what you are saying here.

                                    Yes, politics is one way to pursue and hold power.

                                    But politics is the public solving of problems, at it's best and most powerful manifestation.

                                    To some, it is a game. To most, it is the boring process of getting things done, sometimes in the benefit of the most.

                                    The worst politicians, for the people, are those who want to be in office for the power.

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                                    Jonathan Schofield
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                                    @kristinHenry @_elena @randahl @MLNow @ProPublica

                                    And the best politicians still have to swim where the fastest currents are.

                                    It is in Mastodon’s ‘DNA’ to create slower waters

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                                    • Green Party NIG Green Party NI

                                      @_elena @randahl it’s nonsense. https://mastodon.ie/@greenpartyni/115881150327768590

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                                      Elena Rossini ⁂
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                                      @greenpartyni THANK YOU for being here! Someone mentioned you at FOSDEM last weekend. I wish ALL political parties would follow your example, especially here in Europe (but honestly, everywhere) 🙌
                                      @randahl

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                                      • Miha MarkičM Miha Markič

                                        @randahl @_elena even more ironic are non right wing parties which are really totally against fascism. Which they communicate on fascist networks...

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                                        @mihamarkic @randahl @_elena 😂

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                                        • CeremusC Ceremus

                                          @gunchleoc @randahl
                                          I don't understand how logged-in action defends against bad actors who, for example, could upload CSAM material to someone else's private server. Which is Mastodon's default behavior, to cache potentially illegal material provided by a 3rd party.

                                          As if these bad actors, as well as the law enforcement they would snitch to, could not get access to a federated logon account?

                                          GunChleocG This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          GunChleoc
                                          wrote last edited by
                                          #52

                                          @ceremus You'd need to be logged in at the server with a local account to see it, a federated account won't do.

                                          Of course, people can still tag you to ensure that the post ends up on your server and it's hard on your mental health to have to look at this shit, but it mitigates the danger of being reported.

                                          Mastodon is working on a system to allow integration of 3rd-party tools and you could use that to get access to a detector, but that will still take a while to get done.

                                          @randahl

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