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"Justice Department Says Filming Immigration Raids Is 'Domestic Terrorism'."https://reason.com/2025/12/26/justice-department-says-filming-immigration-raids-is-domestic-terrorism/

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  • petersuberP This user is from outside of this forum
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    "Justice Department Says Filming Immigration Raids Is 'Domestic Terrorism'."
    https://reason.com/2025/12/26/justice-department-says-filming-immigration-raids-is-domestic-terrorism/

    This is the best evidence yet that the #Trump admin is turning the term "domestic terrorism" into an all-purpose pejorative for whatever it dislikes.

    Three quick legal notes:
    1. In the US, it is not a crime to video police making arrests, provided one does not interfere with their work. So said #SCOTUS in Glik v. Cunniffe (2011).
    2. If an act is not already a crime, then even a high-level decision to call it "domestic terrorism" does not make it a crime.
    3. Making an act a crime requires legislation (yea, constitutional legislation). In a country with no kings, an executive diktat does not suffice.

    #EmptySignifier #FloatingSignifier #FirstAmendment #Terrorism #USLaw #USPol #USPolitics

    Matthias KrämerK G. GibsonM caitpC Legit_SpaghettiL Ricardo HarvinR 6 Replies Last reply
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    • petersuberP petersuber

      "Justice Department Says Filming Immigration Raids Is 'Domestic Terrorism'."
      https://reason.com/2025/12/26/justice-department-says-filming-immigration-raids-is-domestic-terrorism/

      This is the best evidence yet that the #Trump admin is turning the term "domestic terrorism" into an all-purpose pejorative for whatever it dislikes.

      Three quick legal notes:
      1. In the US, it is not a crime to video police making arrests, provided one does not interfere with their work. So said #SCOTUS in Glik v. Cunniffe (2011).
      2. If an act is not already a crime, then even a high-level decision to call it "domestic terrorism" does not make it a crime.
      3. Making an act a crime requires legislation (yea, constitutional legislation). In a country with no kings, an executive diktat does not suffice.

      #EmptySignifier #FloatingSignifier #FirstAmendment #Terrorism #USLaw #USPol #USPolitics

      Matthias KrämerK This user is from outside of this forum
      Matthias KrämerK This user is from outside of this forum
      Matthias Krämer
      wrote last edited by
      #2

      @petersuber In Germany, some banks have recently debanked left-leaning organizations, probably after the US government used the term terrorism so loosely against antifa.
      This playbook means: Not the state will charge someone for a non-existent crime after videos of police brutality make their rounds, but platforms in Trumps butt will deplatform the people that upload such videos, making it more effective censorship than a state agency could ever achieve.

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      • petersuberP petersuber

        "Justice Department Says Filming Immigration Raids Is 'Domestic Terrorism'."
        https://reason.com/2025/12/26/justice-department-says-filming-immigration-raids-is-domestic-terrorism/

        This is the best evidence yet that the #Trump admin is turning the term "domestic terrorism" into an all-purpose pejorative for whatever it dislikes.

        Three quick legal notes:
        1. In the US, it is not a crime to video police making arrests, provided one does not interfere with their work. So said #SCOTUS in Glik v. Cunniffe (2011).
        2. If an act is not already a crime, then even a high-level decision to call it "domestic terrorism" does not make it a crime.
        3. Making an act a crime requires legislation (yea, constitutional legislation). In a country with no kings, an executive diktat does not suffice.

        #EmptySignifier #FloatingSignifier #FirstAmendment #Terrorism #USLaw #USPol #USPolitics

        G. GibsonM This user is from outside of this forum
        G. GibsonM This user is from outside of this forum
        G. Gibson
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        @petersuber Wrong motherfucker the law states otherwise --> See you in court asshole

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        • petersuberP petersuber

          "Justice Department Says Filming Immigration Raids Is 'Domestic Terrorism'."
          https://reason.com/2025/12/26/justice-department-says-filming-immigration-raids-is-domestic-terrorism/

          This is the best evidence yet that the #Trump admin is turning the term "domestic terrorism" into an all-purpose pejorative for whatever it dislikes.

          Three quick legal notes:
          1. In the US, it is not a crime to video police making arrests, provided one does not interfere with their work. So said #SCOTUS in Glik v. Cunniffe (2011).
          2. If an act is not already a crime, then even a high-level decision to call it "domestic terrorism" does not make it a crime.
          3. Making an act a crime requires legislation (yea, constitutional legislation). In a country with no kings, an executive diktat does not suffice.

          #EmptySignifier #FloatingSignifier #FirstAmendment #Terrorism #USLaw #USPol #USPolitics

          caitpC This user is from outside of this forum
          caitpC This user is from outside of this forum
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          @petersuber @AnnaAnthro I thought they wanted to be on camera, isnt that why they sent dr phil out with them, and publish propaganda videos of arrests?

          so the official subjective narrative in video is fine, but an objective, unedited perspective, that's "terrorism", sure

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          • petersuberP petersuber

            "Justice Department Says Filming Immigration Raids Is 'Domestic Terrorism'."
            https://reason.com/2025/12/26/justice-department-says-filming-immigration-raids-is-domestic-terrorism/

            This is the best evidence yet that the #Trump admin is turning the term "domestic terrorism" into an all-purpose pejorative for whatever it dislikes.

            Three quick legal notes:
            1. In the US, it is not a crime to video police making arrests, provided one does not interfere with their work. So said #SCOTUS in Glik v. Cunniffe (2011).
            2. If an act is not already a crime, then even a high-level decision to call it "domestic terrorism" does not make it a crime.
            3. Making an act a crime requires legislation (yea, constitutional legislation). In a country with no kings, an executive diktat does not suffice.

            #EmptySignifier #FloatingSignifier #FirstAmendment #Terrorism #USLaw #USPol #USPolitics

            Legit_SpaghettiL This user is from outside of this forum
            Legit_SpaghettiL This user is from outside of this forum
            Legit_Spaghetti
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            @petersuber Filming ICE? Domestic terrorism. Taking pictures of ICE? Domestic terrorism. Releasing unredacted Epstein Files? Believe it or not, domestic terrorism. Protesting the administration? Domestic terrorism, right away. Overcharging for eggs? Domestic terrorism, right to jail, right away. Undercharging for legal advice? Believe it or not, also domestic terrorism.

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            • petersuberP petersuber

              "Justice Department Says Filming Immigration Raids Is 'Domestic Terrorism'."
              https://reason.com/2025/12/26/justice-department-says-filming-immigration-raids-is-domestic-terrorism/

              This is the best evidence yet that the #Trump admin is turning the term "domestic terrorism" into an all-purpose pejorative for whatever it dislikes.

              Three quick legal notes:
              1. In the US, it is not a crime to video police making arrests, provided one does not interfere with their work. So said #SCOTUS in Glik v. Cunniffe (2011).
              2. If an act is not already a crime, then even a high-level decision to call it "domestic terrorism" does not make it a crime.
              3. Making an act a crime requires legislation (yea, constitutional legislation). In a country with no kings, an executive diktat does not suffice.

              #EmptySignifier #FloatingSignifier #FirstAmendment #Terrorism #USLaw #USPol #USPolitics

              Ricardo HarvinR This user is from outside of this forum
              Ricardo HarvinR This user is from outside of this forum
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              @petersuber Yes, absolutely true, and...

              https://mstdn.social/@ricardoharvin/113478597021193037

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              • G. GibsonM G. Gibson

                @petersuber Wrong motherfucker the law states otherwise --> See you in court asshole

                Ricardo HarvinR This user is from outside of this forum
                Ricardo HarvinR This user is from outside of this forum
                Ricardo Harvin
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                @mistergibson @petersuber Either I'm not understanding your reply, or you're misunderstanding the post.

                I hope you're not arguing that it is "domestic terrorism", but your reply reads otherwise to me.

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                • petersuberP petersuber

                  "Justice Department Says Filming Immigration Raids Is 'Domestic Terrorism'."
                  https://reason.com/2025/12/26/justice-department-says-filming-immigration-raids-is-domestic-terrorism/

                  This is the best evidence yet that the #Trump admin is turning the term "domestic terrorism" into an all-purpose pejorative for whatever it dislikes.

                  Three quick legal notes:
                  1. In the US, it is not a crime to video police making arrests, provided one does not interfere with their work. So said #SCOTUS in Glik v. Cunniffe (2011).
                  2. If an act is not already a crime, then even a high-level decision to call it "domestic terrorism" does not make it a crime.
                  3. Making an act a crime requires legislation (yea, constitutional legislation). In a country with no kings, an executive diktat does not suffice.

                  #EmptySignifier #FloatingSignifier #FirstAmendment #Terrorism #USLaw #USPol #USPolitics

                  petersuberP This user is from outside of this forum
                  petersuberP This user is from outside of this forum
                  petersuber
                  wrote last edited by petersuber@fediscience.org
                  #8

                  Update. "Filming #ICE agents is a #FirstAmendment right. So why might it land you in jail?"
                  https://san.com/cc/filming-ice-agents-is-a-first-amendment-right-so-why-might-it-land-you-in-jail/

                  #DHS says filming law enforcement intrinsically hinders law enforcement. #KristiNoem even calls it "violence" against officers. If true, it would fall into the "interference" exception SCOTUS recognized in Glik v. Cuniffe (2011).

                  But when DHS and Noem press their absurd claims in court, they lose. "In the ongoing legal battles about whether or not people can legally film ICE activity in public, at least seven federal courts have ruled that it is a First Amendment right to record law enforcement agents in public."

                  #USLaw #USPol #USPolitics

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                    Update. "Filming #ICE agents is a #FirstAmendment right. So why might it land you in jail?"
                    https://san.com/cc/filming-ice-agents-is-a-first-amendment-right-so-why-might-it-land-you-in-jail/

                    #DHS says filming law enforcement intrinsically hinders law enforcement. #KristiNoem even calls it "violence" against officers. If true, it would fall into the "interference" exception SCOTUS recognized in Glik v. Cuniffe (2011).

                    But when DHS and Noem press their absurd claims in court, they lose. "In the ongoing legal battles about whether or not people can legally film ICE activity in public, at least seven federal courts have ruled that it is a First Amendment right to record law enforcement agents in public."

                    #USLaw #USPol #USPolitics

                    petersuberP This user is from outside of this forum
                    petersuberP This user is from outside of this forum
                    petersuber
                    wrote last edited by petersuber@fediscience.org
                    #9

                    Update. Yesterday's #ICE killing of #ReneeNicoleGood is getting massive public attention because it was recorded.

                    Please bring your phone to demonstrations!

                    Here's some advice on reducing the risks.
                    https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2020/06/tactics-to-secure-phone-before-a-protest/

                    Do worry about the risks, but don't forget the risks of leaving law-enforcement violence unrecorded.

                    #Cameras #LittleBrother #Trump #USLaw #USPol #USPolitics

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