NATO is over now.
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@OneInterestingFact @CptSuperlative @lionelb @SoftwareTheron @mancavgeek @lp0_on_fire @thomas_klopf @oblomov @Beeker @normjess @musing_sys @tbn97 @jasperamorgan
You could build something around France. They have an independent nuclear deterrent and I believe their arms industry isn't integrated with US. The most challenging part would be an integrated military command structure. The EU has the CSDP which could be expanded fairly quickly.
@caoilte @OneInterestingFact @CptSuperlative
yeah, the EU needs to band together like never before, or it will be torn apartRussia will invade and the US (Trump) is going to refuse to get involved unless it becomes a US commonwealth or something as nonsensical
it needs to become independent of US big tech, software and hardware, just for starters
it needs an army, a nuclear deterrent, Godzilla, something to make it a pain in the ass for these dictatorships to try to control directly or indirectly
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@thomas_klopf @CptSuperlative it isn’t #trump the democrats need to overcome. It’s “ugly Americans” and #fascist #truebelievers that now are the majority of the USA population. It is our culture that defines us, not the miscreants leading us.
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NATO is over now.
I don’t know if everyone gets that yet but it’s true.
Europe should found a replacement alliance (it should include Ukraine).
The UK should join it but if it won’t there should at least be Commonwealth replacement military alliance. Unless there is one that I’m not aware of.
The US will not and should not be trusted. Even if a miracle happened and we cleaned this all up over the next 10 years or so - the damage is done.
At best, it would take the US 2- 3 generations to get passed the cluster fuck American voters fell for again.
I’m not counting on any “bests” from stupid fucking Americans.
And I am one.
@CptSuperlative@toot.cat i agree with you that NATO is dead, but you seem to have a high level of faith in the ability of european democracies to adapt to the changing situation all things being equal, fascism is on the rise in europe as much as anywhere else, i think there would need to be a massive political realignment, not just on the issue of nato, but against trans national corporations, in defense of commons etc.
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@CptSuperlative @madengineering
And Mexico, and Brazil, the list goes on. Basically a coalition of the sane.
Da Silva and Sheinbaum are going to need extra protection after what happened to Maduro.
And throw out Hungary. It would be cool to have a NATO where membership is contingent on some metric of functioning democracy.
@Phosphenes @CptSuperlative @madengineering Brazil? The country whose leader gladly visited Putin in May last year? No thanks.
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@Phosphenes @CptSuperlative @madengineering Brazil? The country whose leader gladly visited Putin in May last year? No thanks.
@tml @CptSuperlative @madengineering
Oh I didn't realize that, just looked it up.
It's hard to keep up:
Trump loves Putin
Bolsonaro hates Da Silva
Trump loves Bolsonaro
(Trump hates Da Silva?)
Da Silva loves PutinThe alliances are crazy. 🤪
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@tbn97 @CptSuperlative Given that Canada has borders with Denmark (Greenland) and France (there's a Canadian lighthouse only about 8 miles from the airport in St-Pierre), then Europe and Canada make natural fellows
@bellinghman @tbn97 @CptSuperlative Canada and Denmark even have a land border these days. That little island they both claimed, and which their navies took turns raising a flag and leaving a bottle of akvavit or whisky on, has now been split between them with a border down the middle.
