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FAA just announced a 10 day emergency temporary restricted area for a 10 mile radius around El Paso.

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  • Matt BlazeM Matt Blaze

    FAA just announced a 10 day emergency temporary restricted area for a 10 mile radius around El Paso. No flights are permitted from ground level to 18000 feet, grounding all flights to/from the El Paso airport (KELP).

    Designed as “national defense airspace”, with “deadly force authorized if aircraft determined to pose a security threat”.

    No reason given

    curtosisC This user is from outside of this forum
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    @mattblaze Also, AFAIK* “National Defense Airspace” isn’t actually a thing that exists in law or regulation.

    TFRs do, of course, but that particular designation, along with the specific rules, appears to be made up for this purpose.

    It’s perhaps a nitpick—a TFR can basically impose whatever restrictions deemed necessary. But that phrase doesn’t mean anything legally.

    It’s extra weird, is what I’m saying.

    *as an instructor certificate holder; also worked a bit on airspace data models for FAA

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    • Tinker ☀️T Tinker ☀️

      @mattblaze - Yeah, this is weird. The airport didn't know why. The city govt didnt know why. Even the FAA's own Special Operations Support Center didnt know why.

      The abruptness and lack of coordination - on top of the length of period and complete lockdown even of medical, military, and police (in addition to cargo and passenger) air - is astounding.

      Stephen Bannasch (316 ppm)S This user is from outside of this forum
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      @tinker @mattblaze

      https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/670536-el-paso-closed.html#post12035668

      “Well given the proximity to Fort Bliss and the Mexican border. It has been suggested it's a precursor to a raid into Ciudad Juarez to snatch or attack a cartel figure.

      Closing the airspace would avoid friendly fire incidents.

      Unprecedented though. What the Mexican government would make of that scenario is another thing.”

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      • Matt BlazeM Matt Blaze

        FAA just announced a 10 day emergency temporary restricted area for a 10 mile radius around El Paso. No flights are permitted from ground level to 18000 feet, grounding all flights to/from the El Paso airport (KELP).

        Designed as “national defense airspace”, with “deadly force authorized if aircraft determined to pose a security threat”.

        No reason given

        Bill, organizer of stuffW This user is from outside of this forum
        Bill, organizer of stuffW This user is from outside of this forum
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        @mattblaze They just got a new truckload of the good chicken nuggets and they don't want the Coast Guard coming in and devouring them all again.

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        • Tinker ☀️T Tinker ☀️

          @mattblaze - My gut tells me this is probably being done for some stupid or contrived (or at least blown out of proportion) reason. Whoever (full chain of command such as it is) issued this probably doesnt know or care about the consequences and ramifications of these actions.

          But I have no idea.

          Hide and watch for the time being, I guess.

          Matt BlazeM This user is from outside of this forum
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          @tinker yeah. It’s either an incredibly dumb reason or an incredibly scary reason. Incredibly dumb is more likely than it once was, but we still can’t rule out incredibly scary.

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